It was a final table. Got Felted.
My plan was for him to come over top of me. Obviously he did. Was I wrong? Should I have just shoved the flop?
It was a final table. Got Felted.
My plan was for him to come over top of me. Obviously he did. Was I wrong? Should I have just shoved the flop?
he’s calling no matter what you do. he’s suited. its what they do call no matter what.
IMO you played it perfectly:
-3x preflop raise
-big flop bet with vulnerable TPTK that is dominating many hands that will continue, but bet not so big that those hands will just fold
-got all the money in with almost 2:1 equity lead
Like @wildpokerdude says, Villain was never folding once they see that flop. Just unlucky that they made their flush, which was basically their only path to victory at about 33%
You can totally shove this flop if you want tho. The question is “how much of Villain’s range will call shove vs. 80-100% pot?” Obviously the nut flush draw is calling no matter what; neither of you has enough behind for that to ever really be a fold here.
But what about hands like Q9-QK, or even A9, K9, TT? They might also just call pre and check to you in flow on the flop. If we think many of those hands would call B80-B100, but would fold to a shove, then it’s better to use the smaller size. We really want those hands to continue; that’s a big source of the value we can capture here with AQ.
Friendly reminder not to focus on the few combos that actually had a lot of equity and ended up beating you (especially when you were still well ahead of those hands), but rather to try to construct Villain’s whole range and think of the bet size that performs best against that range.
I think a pot-sized cbet here was great. You’re obviously committed now so there’s no worry about getting bluffed off your equity with a reraise, but you’re leaving room for more of the hands you dominate to continue. Mission accomplished!
I guess there’s a separate argument for just jamming it all straightaway on the flop: if you’d been the one with Ax of clubs, wouldn’t you like to use all-in sizing? Then we should use the same size with some of our value.
Do we have enough value combos in our shove range, vs. our semi-bluff combos (which is potentially a lot, depending how much Ax or Kx of clubs we have in our preflop 3bet range), if we only use all-in sizing with sets and overpairs? Or do we also need to include AQ to be balanced?
Do we even need to be balanced against this field/opponent?
These are the questions I’d be asking myself in this spot.
I think there’s an argument to be made for jamming it all in pre-flop and picking up 2.5bb uncontested.
I think on the flop this should be a small bet - hoping to get one street out of 4’s, 5’s, AJo/ATo with a club, etc, and then get it all in on the any turn. When you block top pair, there just isn’t that many dominated hands your opponent can have that will call a large bet.
even a preflop all in, he’s calling.
I’d love to but I only have like 10-15 seconds to do this. I mean I usually have a broad idea going in, but when he calls my bet I have like 15 seconds to rethink it. I need a tank for that and Replay won’t give me one. : (
@napkin_holder I feel you so hard lol I’ve said this like 10x in various places on the forums
Sometimes I’ll tank preflop just to plan out the hand as best I can so that I can have a rough range v. range sketch on flop/turn/river
Very likely, but we’d love to get called A5s when we have AQo. It’s only really someone yet to act waking up with AK+ that really sucks, but that’s poker.
Do not think about hands, value etc. he WAS calling you no matter what:).
Ace-high club draw? He’s waiting for you to shove, and when you didn’t, he did. Either way, chips are going in. He just didn’t want you to fold first.
He’s got a 3:1 chip advantage over you and about a 37% chance to hit the nuts. His only concern is that you might have folded without putting enough in the pot, but once you pushed in over half your stack, he knew you were more or less pot-committed.
The pre-flop raise was just fine. Shoving in early position puts you in a bad spot if you have multiple people go over the top. Last thing you need is to find out you’re up against AA, KK, and AK.
Preflop is OK, your hand is good enough post flop to not shove preflop. Here i shove preflop 88-99, AJs-ATs, KJs-KQs. Important to know here when you open with AQo you call an all-in, i think this is normal but very important you know this. And to me you need to all in flop , not to fold this A5 of clubs who calls any sizing with an overcard and max flush draw thats normal, but when you bet pot and he call, the pot is bigger than your stack, so take your value now