This hand saved my session; I walked away with only a 10M loss instead of 50M. Thankfully I have enough experience with @AlmostLive to give him a decent share of bluffs here with missed draws (as turned out to be the case), and while I briefly tanked I was never that close to folding (which would have been disastrous).
However, I find myself in these spots A LOT more often at elite stakes ring than I am accustomed to playing high stakes MTTs.
How do y’all navigate polarized river bets, especially when Villain is raising your value bet for a pretty large size?
Personally, I just try to not violate MDF and am very reluctant to fold hands near the top of my range. So here, I only considered folding at all bc I can show up with the same hand (trips) with better kickers, and I think a flopped full house is also still in my range arriving at this river with this action. Had I been holding JK for instance, it would have been sigh and snap call with “nothing to do.”
But what if I’d been holding (just pretend it’s possible to reach the river with this action) J7 or something like that? With the top ranked ring game players being so sticky (and I have already confirmed that many of them are indeed quite reluctant to fold any made hand), I imagine there are a lot of big swings to be had in trips vs. trips scenarios where the kicker plays. I’ll admit I am a bit nervous about finding myself in those spots and having to basically guess whether I’m dominating them, or vice versa.
I feel like I lack a good heuristic for making those decisions facing significant aggression.
Even tho I do not play even some ring, and don’t play elite stakes ring, GTO, and MDF, are for Elite stakes ring players who are, polarized, where because its so hard to bluff them, value calling, making good reads, hand range reading, exploitative calling, play, to go with GTO, MDF, is even more critical. This is why at the elite highest stakes, their should be a longer time clock, time bank, etc, to piece together stuff.
Beyond MDF, GTO, Exploitative, reading, if their play doesn’t make sense, etc, I dont know if there is a heuristic, for making those decisions.
yeah, I agree. I’ve definitely lost at least 75M so far due to simply not having enough time. It’s difficult to go back to preflop, flop, assemble a range, think about villain’s risk tolerance, evaluate where we are in our range, calculate pot odds, and make a decision to fold/call/raise in 20 seconds. Even 30 seconds would make me instantly more profitable, I’m quite sure.
In fact I think the conditions on Replay largely dictate the prevailing playstyles near the top of the ranks:
tight/passive
hyper loose/aggressive
with not much in between, from what I’ve seen so far. This makes sense: you can avoid a lot of tough spots by simply showing up with a very narrow range so that you have more pure calls or pure folds at each inflection point.
Alternatively, you can just constantly apply pressure far beyond the bounds of GTO equilibrium, and as long as you do so somewhat intelligently it will be difficult for your opponents to respond correctly given they’re always being put to the test, but don’t always have time to think things through fully. If you have 2nd pair decent kicker and face a pot-sized river bet, what are you going to do? I and many others will default to a fold in the absence of other considerations.
Back when the goat was here, I use to watch him, this is an example of his style of risk, those that raise with low and no backup high or call with a weak low become ATMs
Last night I played in the fastest game I have ever played here; in 20/40k, I guess there was no big game, so lucky me, I felt like I was home. All players were under 200 rank except for me, there was no use of the clock it was snap poker at its best. players testing their processing skills and playing top notch poker at the same time.
I came out ahead but only a few mil, but what a blast!