Since I bought some chips when I started here, and always try to make positive contributions on the forum, they make it so I win way more than I should.
For example, the other day I flopped an ace high straight, and 2 people paid me off all the way to showdown, but nobody made a full house on either the turn or the river! In a real poker game, someone is going to make that full house like, a lot, right? I know!!
I’m so tired of playing the best hands and actually winning with them that I’m now convinced that the site has to be rigged in my favor. It’s getting old, let me tell you!
I wish you guys could see what I’ve been through on this site…So it’s rigged in favor of higher ranked players, so what its play money…I don’t buy chips, that’s dumb…on other accounts (especially in the early days), I was able to get my stack up to 1 mil…I know how I play and I understand my stack fluctuates wildly…but what I hate about this site is when I single out a player (its usually a higher-ranked player when this happens), and I got the best hand either pre-flop or on the flop, (I almost always have the best hand if I’m sticking around), and whomever almost always catches runner, runner to beat me. If you don’t believe me look at my hands. It doesn’t bother me that bad though, I understand I’ve played on-line poker for years and real poker b4 the internet was invented. Back in the days of full-tilt I suffered the worst bad beat of my life in any poker format to date. SO I’ve got KK in a no-limit hold em’ ring game …I’m on the button I got two callers, no raise so I raise to pot, 1 guy folds, the other person doubles it, I call. Flop comes K2K, dude goes all-in, I call, turn and river are AA … dude wins with 4 of kind Aces! Astronomical odds, look it up on a poker calculator. I guess when all is said and done, I love poker so much I don’t really mind the extra challenge.
2million chips last time i posted here…2/17/17…now at 3.3 mllion 3/3/17…may not be fast enough for some of you but i still havent spent any money…seems fair enough to me…so thank you replay
I understand that you really believe that it is rigged, but you have to understand that it is simply not true. There are so many factors on Replay that contribute to people feeling that way. First of all, there is the psychological part: you remember that KK vs AA hand because it is painful and extremely rare. People will always remember the 1 time out of 10 that they lose to a 2-outer and forget about the other 9 times (the example you gave was an even rarer suck-out, but that wasn’t even on Replay).
Secondly, because they are play chips and it sounds like you are playing at low stakes where players are extremely bad or don’t care, they are willing to get their whole stack in with bad hands, and there is so much variance in poker that those bad hands will still win 20-40% of the time and it will be painful when they do.
Third, there may be something about your style of play (and others with similar complaints) that allows that to happen to them. I am not saying that you are not playing well, but that certain styles of play will lead to big pots and lots of variance. For example, if you raise 6x preflop with AA and get one caller, and then you bet the size of the pot on the flop. You are only going to get called by hands that beat you (sets, etc.) or that have a lot of equity (flush draws). Or if you play too cautiously it gives other players a chance to chase their hand. It is hard to know where the line of optimal play is.
I am one of those “higher ranked players”, and I can say 100% that the site does not favor me. I have lost so many bad beats and suck-outs and weird car crash coolers where I have a monster and the other guy rivers a bigger monster. That is just poker, and in online poker you play so many hands that you will see all kinds of crazy situations. Anyway, I don’t expect to convince anyone, and I am certainly not saying I am an expert on poker, but there is certainly no favoritism in the cards. Also, I have never purchased chips either, so I don’t expect any favoritism in that regard either.
I have seen some crazy things
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I saw a high ranked player raise preflop from an early position and get called by 4 people in a low stakes game. I saw him call when large bets were made after the flop and the turn. I saw the showdown with 3 people…A Set, A Pair of Kings(in the hole) and a Straight.
Yes, the high ranked player won with the straight. And when you replayed the hand you see that he raised preflop with 36o, called postflop with a very bad hand, called the turn bet with an inside straight draw and hit that improbable straight on the river to clean up after risking 2/3 of his stack in the middle of the tourney.
I was only a little surprised because I’ve seen essentially the same thing quite a few times now.
Should players who whine about losing, being bullied or a rigged site be banned and for how long? (CM EDIT: Adding title to comment after merge of thread)
Oh joy, another version of the thought and speech police. Its the new solution for everything. Don’t like someone, ban and boycott them. Someone has thoughts different from yours? Shout 'em down and start a riot to get them banned from everywhere.
No idea who you are or whether this was meant as a joke to provoke responses but I’m having an allergic reaction to snowflakes on world without women day. People need to grow up and get over themselves already. There is no constitutional or civil right not to be offended.
We won’t be banning anyone for complaining about their perceptions of the site (though posts may be deleted/moderation may happen if they break Code of Conduct in some other way). While we’ve said plenty from our end about fairness, it’s always our hope that we and the community can help educate players who may be frustrated due to losing streaks or any other reason. They might not listen, but you can’t win 'em all.
With 6 people in you have odds to call with 56 off. I ran a test with AA, KK, QQ,QQ,AK AK and AA is 68% to win, all the others less than 1% and 56off 26%. with 6 in you only need 16% chance of winning to call. with 7 u need 14%.
vs AA and 5 other random hands u have 12% chance of winning. , IMHO that’s close enough.
Now when IF you when AA may whine like a puppy and others may mock, but you made the correct call. even with 56off.
I don’t see the comment that you are responding to, but I see some issue with the test you ran if you included their possible range of hands as AA, KK, two QQ, and two AK. The reason 56o performs so well in that scenario is that all of the opponents block each other’s hands, so it is almost impossible for them to improve, making it easier for 56 to improve instead. There are no more As, Ks, or Qs in the deck, so it is impossible for any of them to make a set and very difficult to make a straight or full house. If your opponents had a reasonable set of hands like AA, AKs, QQ, TT, 98s, then 56o has ~14% chance to win. Maybe I am just not understanding the scenario.
Your assessment it totally correct Joe, I noticed the same thing with the big hands. The post I responded to suggest the others all had big hands.
I also added if we look at AA and 5 totally random hands then the odds for 56off are 12%,
100% divided by 6 is 16%, which is the odds he needs to call, So though either 12 or 14 is short of what 56off needs to make the call, I don’t think most of us do the math to the exactitude during the heat of the game as we do when testing scenarios with an odds calculator.
Not sure where you stand on this, but if I have 56off and can call against 5 others to see the flop, I will. It not good poker, but neither is having 4 callers ahead of you.
Which responds to the original post, why are there so many river suckouts by bad preflop hands.
I see a lot of the same kind of play at the 1/2 tables in live poker, but depends on the player mix
