The fairness debate

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1112

I don’t play that frequently anymore but I did run into you in a table last night and watched you self-destruct with awful plays. If you were winning with these plays, then I’d think the site is rigged. As it stands, you’d be the type of player I’d comp out the wazoo to get you to play at my tables live. I would have a limo pick you up and stop at your bank on the way over.

Do yourself a favor and improve your game rather than ranting about the unfairness of the world against your obvious brilliance. Hate to sound harsh but you bring this on yourself by insulting people and then displaying simply poor poker skills. Whether that is because you don’t care or don’t know how to play isn’t the issue. The issue is that with the game you play, you could not win in the long term unless a site was rigged heavily in your favor. That’s just reality.

1113

So now this forum is a conspiracy against you too? And I’m a troll who has never played poker before and just shows up to keep you quiet? I haven’t had time to play this week, but I’ve played more than 170,000 hands on Replay and I have over 68,000,000 chips without buying any. I’m no poker expert by any stretch of the imagination, I’m still learning, but it is very easy to win on this site and there’s no reason to think it is rigged.

If you want to avoid the so-called “bingo donkfest”, build a bankroll of a few million (should take 3-4 days) and play higher stakes (50k tournaments and 2k/4k ring). The players there aren’t pros either, but they’re trying to play well.

1114

I don’t see why people insist on bringing reality into a perfectly good victimhood fantasy. Remember, if you take away their victim card, they’ll have no hand left to play.

1115

You trolls are too easy. LOL! I would spell it all out slowly but I will do step 1 just for you.

T H I S I S N O T R E A L P O K E R !!! lol
Have a great day!

1116

I miss joejeweler. He was the best at ranting about the “rigged deal” and “impossible rivers”. He, calt2412 and hatchetface2 raised the standard for the those with a persecution complex. joejeweler could do 3–4 posts a day and several edits while (allegedly) wining 7 or 8 SNG tournies a day and still complain the site is biased.That generation wore their tinfoil hats with pride and really pushed the conspiracy theory as it should be pushed. The current group of bashers cant even bother to load the hands they whinge and moan about. These knockers really need to raise their level of paranoia to be considered as anything more than a sad joke…

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1117

To be fair and to his credit Cleaver does regularly say, “have a nice day” after every attack on the system.

I think the naysayers are crotchety old men who rant and rave because it is what crotchety old men do. Soon I will rant, rave, and drool with the best and the rest of them. I look forward to the day when Cleaver and I sit in the park together playing checkers and accusing each other of cheating.

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1118

Poker is a game that requires constant adaptation. Anyone saying they cant win because it “isn’t real poker” has no idea what real poker is. The object in any poker game is to get the chips/$ from the other players. If you are playing a home game where everyone soft-plays each other and then go to a casino and play with drunken donkeys, you will get steamrolled if you don’t adapt. Same thing would happen if you sat in a high stakes game with serious players. You adapt or you lose, period.

I am tired of the whining. Its either “the game is rigged” or “its not real poker” or some other variation on the theme. I personally do not find the games here to resemble what I know from the live world in many ways. It drives me a bit nuts sometimes. However, my job is to adapt to the game being played here, not to yell and scream that the other children aren’t playing fair or that the host is cheating me. Its a juvenile rant and is frankly tiresome.

As an aside, it is taking considerable inner strength to refrain from making “knockers” comments. Leaving a straight-line setup like that is just unnatural for me :slight_smile:

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1119

In the spirit of this idea, I pose the following:

Replay Poker, will as a mission, deal with the problem of building value into poker chips with the knowledge that the poker site that can by some method instill value into the chips will become the undisputed leader of the pack. Replay Poker is positioned well to bring this about.

Since time is money, and money is value, this poker site, our poker site Replay Poker, can design an enclosed section of the site that is dedicated to freeroll play. As players move through the freerolls and win more and more chips, they will, in time, graduate into the rest of this incredible site. That will be the day all the bonus chips will also start to be earned.

The details of this process will be worked out, and certainly people can still by-pass the free rolls by buying the necessary chips.

This simple change will stop the radical play by people who now don’t put any value on the chips they so freely throw around. We all know who these people are and we all know we can support a place where they would have to go to rebuild their banks.

I will talk to the moderators, staff, management, players, and whoever is interested in developing this concept. Please contact me if interested. Its time has come!

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1120

I’m not sure how serious you are, but I think your idea has merit. However, wouldn’t a similar goal be accomplished by removing the chip top-up at the bank? Once a player loses their daily bonus, they must play freerolls or just give up (assuming they have no chips in their bankroll). The site could add more freerolls, but I doubt the staff would embrace these ideas because losing players would probably just give up (even more quickly).

1121

That pretty much says it all. Every conspiracy theorist and losing player on Replay, and even those in home games, the micro-stakes, and live $1/2, who think that they would do much better if only the other players took the game more seriously, are just proving how little they understand poker. It’s all about knowing how to beat exactly the types of opponents you are facing at any given time.

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1122

I don’t think so.

I think they should be separated so that they are more inspired to play with other players who at least chip-wise are at the same level. The goal is to allow the players to earn their way into the main part of the casino by winning 100K in chips, which may take as long as short as a few hours or for the true beginning up to five days.

If they just get 2,500 automatically they will soon deduce guaranteed liberation in 40 days. They will have learned nothing and likely send them into all-in fests.

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1123

I know this is true; but it also isn’t the basics. If you look at the above game you will see players who may have logged on this morning with players who have 3M, 4M, and 5M chips in the freeroll.

At least keep the under 100K players in one place.

It is also the first step in the pride of playing poker, to get out of Freeroll Camp.

BTW, it is good for the site because I am not at all against people buying out of freeroll. If they play well enough to stay out all the better.

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1124

There are just so many problems with restricting who can play where that I’m not sure you can ever achieve what you are trying to via this method. Yes, a freeroll is a freeroll and maybe you think people with a certain bankroll shouldn’t play in one. Well, what about a 15K tournament? For a player with 15+ million chips, a 15K is basically a freeroll. What about players with 50+ million? Should we tell them they cannot play anything less than a 50K? The players with 1 billion chips have no games at all to buy into that have any statistical impact on their bankrolls. Should we tell them they cant play any tournaments at all?

Scratch, you and I talked about a player who came onto the site about New Years and seems to have purchased about 200 million chips upon arrival (and later bought another $1000 worth). This guy played some of the worst poker I’ve ever seen, throwing chips around by the millions. He lost it all in about a month as you know. Still, he is a perfect illustration of how you cannot protect against bad/loose/wild play no matter what you do with freerolls. Do we even want to though? People tracked this guy’s every move and I’m sure there were lines to get onto a table with him to get some of those chips he cared so little about.

I get where you are going but I just disagree with the methods. People are going to play poorly at every single level and every single stakes you can come up with. That’s just the nature of the beast. There are plenty of ways to avoid most of these people but I don’t think restricting play is the way to go about it. Just my humble opinion.

1125

Warlock, you are wonderfully convincing, and you make it very difficult to disagree because you state things so well. But allow me clarify as I am convinced there is a fundamental misunderstanding.

Let’s say I play terribly tomorrow and go on tilt and my bank plummets to 99,000 chips. The only thing that happens is that I am not allowed to play the Casino Freeroll, but instead I must somehow raise 1K.

Let’s say in my endeavor to win 1K I lose 49K more. I still can take the remaining 50K and register in a 50K SnG or play a SnG Freeroll. If I lose the 50K I have nowhere to go except the Freeroll Camp.

I didn’t know when Shakeraise posted that there would be two different Freerolls and still am not sure what management has in mind. But the Freeroll thread (which this isn’t this one) has been a surprise to me and am glad people are speaking their mind.

I do know that I have mentioned a different Freeroll system to Paul Gould and Shakeraise on a few different occasions. They have heard my thoughts perhaps too many times. Please reread Shake’s posting as it is very inspiring.

This isn’t a new idea; I have lobbied for quite a long time.

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1126

I may be totally missing the point. Wouldn’t be the 1st time and wont be the last. I’ll move over to the Freeroll thread for the rest of this discussion though as I can see I may have merged the two somehow. I do tend to go all stream of consciousness when I write so I apologize if I muddied this thread up.

1127

I feel like even if I got really good/famous at poker I’d still play on Replay every once in a while… maybe while on a plane to Macau :airplane:

1128

Well if you played as much poker as well as I do you would somehow know that sometimes you get some cards that something somehow tells you that some sort of something is is doing something that’s not the something you expected. Something somewhere is doing something to something else that somehow affects something that somehow does something to the dealer. ALL to somehow MAKE someone BUY chips or SOMEthINg

Sorry all, only messing about and I haven’t seen a “Replay is rigged” post for a while so I thought I would try it myself but I am struggling to think of something to moan about. Someone say something :grinning:???

1129

I was playing 1k/2k ring and called a raise preflop with 55 in position. The flop came 58Q. The raiser bet pot and I called. The turn came K and the raiser bet half pot and I called. The river came 7 and the raiser jammed for a little over pot. I called and he turned over 77. Replay is definitely rigged…

I use this example to show how ridiculous these conspiracy theories are. Yes, it was very unlucky to lose to a 2-outer on the river, but he had about 12% equity on the flop, so he will win more than 1 in 10 times, not a trivial amount.

Also, maybe my decision to just call the turn is questionable, but I’d rather let my opponent keep bluffing into me or value bet with hands I beat (AA, AK, AQ, KQ) on a relatively safe board rather than force them to fold or only get called by bigger sets.

1130

“Something somewhere is doing something…”

Oh, I get it…

Abbott: Who’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third–

Costello: That’s what I want to find out. I want you to tell me the names of the fellows on the St. Louis team.

Abbott: I’m telling you. Who’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third–

Costello: You know the fellows’ names?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: Well, then who’s playing first?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: I mean the fellow’s name on first base.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The fellow playin’ first base.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy on first base.

Abbott: Who is on first.

Costello: Well, what are you askin’ me for?

Abbott: I’m not asking you–I’m telling you. Who is on first.

Costello: I’m asking you–who’s on first?

Abbott: That’s the man’s name.

Costello: That’s who’s name?

Abbott: Yes.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?

Abbott: Every dollar of it. And why not, the man’s entitled to it.

Costello: Who is?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: So who gets it?

Abbott: Why shouldn’t he? Sometimes his wife comes down and collects it.

Costello: Who’s wife?

Abbott: Yes. After all, the man earns it.

Costello: Who does?

Abbott: Absolutely.

Costello: Well, all I’m trying to find out is what’s the guy’s name on first base?

Abbott: Oh, no, no. What is on second base.

Costello: I’m not asking you who’s on second.

Abbott: Who’s on first!

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Costello: St. Louis has a good outfield?

Abbott: Oh, absolutely.

Costello: The left fielder’s name?

Abbott: Why.

Costello: I don’t know, I just thought I’d ask.

Abbott: Well, I just thought I’d tell you.

Costello: Then tell me who’s playing left field?

Abbott: Who’s playing first.

Costello: Stay out of the infield! The left fielder’s name?

Abbott: Why.

Costello: Because.

Abbott: Oh, he’s center field.

Costello: Wait a minute. You got a pitcher on this team?

Abbott: Wouldn’t this be a fine team w i t h o u t a pitcher?

Costello: Tell me the pitcher’s name.

Abbott: Tomorrow.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Costello: Now, when the guy at bat bunts the ball–me being a good catcher–I want to throw the guy out at first base, so I pick up the ball and throw it to who?

Abbott: Now, that’s he first thing you’ve said right.

Costello: I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!

Abbott: Don’t get excited. Take it easy.

Costello: I throw the ball to first base, whoever it is grabs the ball, so the guy runs to second. Who picks up the ball and throws it to what. What throws it to I don’t know. I don’t know throws it back to tomorrow–a triple play.

Abbott: Yeah, it could be.

Costello: Another guy gets up and it’s a long ball to center.

Abbott: Because.

Costello: Why? I don’t know. And I don’t care.

Abbott: What was that?

Costello: I said, I DON’T CARE!

Abbott: Oh, that’s our shortstop!

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1131

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To be fair and to his credit Cleaver does regularly say, “have a nice day” after every attack on the system.
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Well, that is kinda like saying “good hand” when it beats you…I kinda doubt the sincerity…