The fairness debate

Nope, not lost at all. Great saying.

Scratch

In Cleavers defence, Nash thinks K4 in the sb is a shove with 4 BB left

Taking this opportunity to link to Bankroll Management advice.

https://replaypoker.groovehq.com/knowledge_base/topics/bankroll-management

Any comments on suggested edits welcome.

My goal was to demonstrate that Cleaver’s repeated attacks on Replay’s randomness was not involved, just his poor play. This hand satisfied me that it was questionable enough and had nothing to do with randomness. In addition I misspoke earlier. Cleaver didn’t even push; he bet 3X and busted out with a funky continuation bet.

Bankroll Management also says: ā€œBRM is not going to help you win money if you are an unskilled poker player, but it will help you play longer.ā€ Cleaver’s skills are consistent with others who have attacked the randomness.

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Nice responses, Scratch. I get bad beats all the time (I just lost in 2nd in the 250k mtt after losing with AA against TT to a rivered straight), and with the occasional, rare, regrettable, public exception (lol), I don’t usually question the randomness of the site.

Hold’em is a wild game, as anyone who has ever watched/played live games will attest. I have also heard that real-money sites are also rife with accusations of rigging (although some cheating accusations have been valid in the past). It seems like the conspiracy theorists on Replay are usually not winning players. It is so incredibly easy to win chips on Replay or to accumulate them through the daily chip bonus, that it doesn’t seem like there is ever a ā€œneedā€ to buy chips. Kinda makes the idea of rigging pointless.

Agreed. It isn’t news either. Since the beginning of time people have failed to own their mistakes. We all have done it and will do it; we hate being wrong. The key is to try to remove the ego, which allows and even welcomes rationalization.

Humility is very hard to achieve. That is the takeaway from this game called poker; it humiliates us regularly.

Scratch

Agreed.

It is also easy to understand why people are confused about why things aren’t going their way. It is part of what makes poker so much fun. Your hand is constantly changing, and sometimes they are strong, sometimes they are weak, and sometimes they are right in that tricky spot in the middle. It is impossible to have an ego when you can get be way ahead one second and way behind the next. It takes a lot of introspection to recognize where your errors lie (and every player makes errors).

I believe that what many of these non-winning players experience is what I experienced when I first started playing on this site. I would play most hands correctly and do reasonably well, but when I lost a pot it was a disproportionately large one that wrecked all of the good work I had done. That is what I see happen to many players at the table, and it is incredibly frustrating. I adjusted by tightening up and folding more often until I was able to find a better balance. Poker never stops teaching.

Hence, the good post on Bankroll Management. Full circle.

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Nice job scratch and sniff. You based my entire playing ability on one hand. Let me remind you this is free chip poker and obviously no one plays seriously all of the time if ever. But, since you know everything about poker and every hand you play is the best EVER, I defer to the all knowing. Strange though, the 5 people that always disagree with me I never see on the tables. It might be that jumping on people who don’t worship your point of view is all you do. I did play you one time and you went all in on he same hand I did and lost just like me. Weird how everyone else is so inferior to you. Why don’t you find something better to do than investigate everything I say and every hand I play and respond to my every comment in 5 seconds, Mr. internet stalker. Have a great day.

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I might add that all my comments say that this is not real poker and just for fun, so, all you folks with the stats and the strategies of ACTUALL poker are the ones that are out of place, not me.

Poker is much like Backgammon in that good play and taking probability into account will result in winning play, regardless of the amount of money (Or lack therof involved.

well u may not be able to use actuall real life poker strategies here, for the most part .that does not mean that its not real. its still a game and there is an objective to it…now some people have the same objective as others and some dont…thats where some sort of plan comes in handy…i dont play real money poker here…i play replay poker where just about anything can happen…(which usually means i should have folded)…i fold almost 80% of my hands…very rarely raise or get overly agressive.basically i dont even try half the time…and i some how have made it to 2 million chips…been here 9 months… i have not invested any real life money…so i guess you all need to learn how to play REPLAY POKER…or not works better for me if ya dont…:grin:

If you just want to play for fun, then why are you here complaining about the site being rigged? I play for fun too. I also think it’s fun to learn about things and be good at them, so I win and don’t spend (much) of my time ranting about how the system is rigged against me. You expect to win and admit that you aren’t even trying hard. Doesn’t make much sense.

Poker, like most things in life, is way more fun when you are good at it. Just my opinion, obviously…

We look without for answers which lie within, for ego demands the blame be shifted to agencies beyond our control. ā€œInjustice is afoot,ā€ we lament, thinking ourselves beyond reproach and masters of our own destiny, experts in a contest we scarcely understand except to know it must be unjustly twisted against us… somehow.

The planets align alike for both winners and losers, the whirlwinds of chaos blow through the fates of all, yet some win through, emerging bloody and battered, perhaps, but unbowed, while others are consumed. The difference, of course, lies with wisdom and knowledge, which bring an ability to sense the peril before it overwhelms us, the wisdom to not commit to situations which will, at best, be a close fought thing.

Those who succumb to the temptation of casting blame outwardly have lost before the battle is joined, for they have rigged the game against themselves.

OOOOOhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :pray: Ohhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Uhhh, in case you are not catching on, poker is a game when money is involved. Free poker is a bingo donkfest here. Yes it is fun, but the comments I make are about the anomalies in the way the cards are dealt at this site compared to REAL poker. This is coming from a person who has played a long time and played online when it was first introduced. I played then when eventually the software was deemed to be ā€œriggedā€ , in other words the software could be manipulated and/or the cards could be seen by certain individuals. This software, IMO is the one and the same for the same goals. If you don’t like my opinion then so be it IDK. AND, I will say it again, I have only seen all you internet trolls playing maybe once or twice. Other than that you appear to be eagerly awaiting any opposing view that you don’t like for obvious reasons. As I have always said, have fun and have a great day.

The Dunning Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias study on how people mistakenly assess their ability much higher that it actually is. Its about a 4 minute read and well worth it. Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

Perfectly describes the attitude of a number of players here.

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I’m thinking of a certain political figure…

From Wikipedia - ā€œThe Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive incapacity, on the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their competence accuratelyā€¦ā€

But listed under ā€œSee alsoā€ are the following topics:

Grandiose delusions
Hubris
Impostor syndrome
Narcissism
Self-deception
Self-serving bias
Ultracrepidarianism, which is the habit of giving opinions and advice on matters outside of one’s knowledge.

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. Lake Wobegon effect (illusory superiority) and The four stages of competency are also well worth a read from the ā€œsee alsoā€ list.

ifm they really want to make it more realistic, just make it totally random draws because it’s really hard to believe that’s the case now.

I play a lot of small buy in tournaments in Tunica (Just South of Memphis) and the strategies used in money tournaments work here as well as there.

The only significant difference I see is that when you pay to play in tournaments people tend to quit playing when they keep losing money whereas on here when people keep losing they tend to come to this forum and whine like a little girl…

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