The fairness debate

I played 50k hands at Pokerstars. The Stars app wrote log files of my played tables/hands to my disk. Dealt cards, players, bets, winner, … all in it. I had an app for making analyse of the log files, and there was all ok. My hole cards all perfect, the number of reached pairs, straights, flushs, boats, quads all perfect too. Royal and straight flushs was not ok, not enough played hands, the luck factor is on this numbers.
And many players wrote at Stars the dealt cards are not ok, Stars is rigged. Losers at poker, losers at math.

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Again, there is a way to prove that the site is not generating correct statistical distribution of hands, or at least get data that indicate that there might be irregularities.
So what I have done is I would export in an excel file over a year worth of data to analyze. And what I have found out, again, is that everything is within what it should be.
I personally would never play at the site where I suspect they are cheating me. And I was always curious why so many suspect this and yet still use the site.
However, what I have seen is the same people that suspect the site to be rigged, go to another site and gain new suspicions about the new site.
Statistics is complicated branch of Math. And it takes a deep understanding of it, to really understand that rare events will continue to happen, and they do not have any additional, deeper meaning.
The business model you described makes no sense, and here is why: Fish here continue to lose at the fish level. Fish, playing poker, stay with poker exactly because sometimes they win hands with bad plays, not because they win tourneys more. They do not win tourneys with any regularity, and as a result they lose a lot. But they get off on a particular hand they win, and that’s what keeps them hooked.
If there was rigging designed to even the field against the fish, it would be nearly impossible to garner bankroll on the long run even if you are a great player. Why? Cause there are way more fish than good players on the site… An order of magnitude more. So you are going against a wave after wave of fish, who in hands against you have odds tilted in their favor. So it would be nearly impossible to be prosperous player on the site against such a wave of odds tilted against you over and over again.
I lose my share of hands against fish on the regular, and yet I am still killing it. No site rigging can stop me, cause I understand statistics, and I understand the game of poker very well.
I say this not to boast, but just to give you a counterexample to your business model claims.
This site has passed the approval of the regulatory body, and one of the main thing that must pass is the Random Hand generator. I just read the threads from over 10 years ago, where they discussed this in more specifics. You can’t get a license if your RHG is not up to par.
Also, there are great videos on the internet discussing in detail why so many players have the tendency to think that the site they are using is rigged. It explains both the statistical aspect as well as psychological.
I, on the other hand, have actually studied this in my Psychology courses (Learning and Cognition) in detail on my way to Psychology degree. And I can also break it down in very specific ways, why so many people have the tendency to suspect “site rigging” when playing poker. If interested I’ll break it down in detail, but that’s only if you think that a new info will have a chance of affecting your stance.

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People that seem to think sites ’ are rigged" are sore losers or bad players-just the thoughts of an older man who played lots of poker:)

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Makes one wonder why those who think sites are rigged are even here at Replay :smile:
Have to agree, but a sad /sick phenomenon!

If I thought any game site was rigged, I personally would leave lol

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I fell… if you put enough time… to make a leader board… on a games, like the American games on replay… you will feel different about replay poker… and if you do… expect to be invited to league and team… privet invite games on replay…

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This sits is not rigged and I don’t know why so many players complain. Sore losers I guess.

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I have gone from 2.5k upto 10 million in 6 weeks playing HUSnG , 6max SnG and Astral Pegasus League. Yet I never win all-in and have had the most unlikely bad beats imaginable, like people going all-in on the flop with nothing in hand and then seeing the only two cards that could win them the pot coming down on the turn and the river. I got so angry at one point that I received an account chat warning.

Do I think its rigged or whatever, no. Just hold in there, ride the bad luck and your ability will be get you to where you belong, over time.

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Well I hope if you play here you will have fun.

Great accomplishment in 6 weeks, and good outlook on your future.

Just hold in there, ride the bad luck and your ability will be get you to where you belong, over time.

Patience, Discipline and Faith when you need to pull the trigger for the win are the key’s for me. GL at the tables and always have fun our future Replay Star. :smile:

I’m writing to express my extreme disappointment and frustration with my experience on your platform. After spending considerable time playing on Replay Poker, it has become abundantly clear to me that the gameplay is rigged and heavily favors certain players.

Despite my best efforts to employ strategic gameplay and make informed decisions, I consistently find myself on the losing end of hands that defy all statistical probability. It seems that no matter how well I play, I’m always at a significant disadvantage compared to other players.

Furthermore, the frequency with which certain players miraculously hit improbable hands or make unbelievable comebacks raises serious doubts about the integrity of your platform. It’s incredibly disheartening to invest time and effort into improving my poker skills, only to be thwarted by what appears to be biased and unfair gameplay.

I’ve spoken with other users who share similar concerns, and it’s evident that there’s a widespread belief among the community that Replay Poker is rigged in favor of certain players or outcomes.

I urge you to take immediate action to address these issues and restore trust in your platform. Players deserve a fair and transparent gaming environment, and it’s clear that the current state of affairs on Replay Poker falls far short of these expectations.

Unless significant changes are made to ensure fairness and impartiality in gameplay, I regret to say that I’ll be forced to seek out alternative online poker platforms where I can enjoy a more equitable playing experience.

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if the other player has a lucky day, they will beat those statistics

we’ve all seen players go all-in pre flop with crap many times in a row and win, leaving good hands in the dust, most times they wont make the final table, they certainly will not make the rankings

also some players just have more luck overall, combined with skill they can be a force to reckon with, but they can be beat (take a look at the pro’s ie. ivey, negreanu, helmuth or whoever is hot atm)

bottom line; pick your battles carefully and be prepared to fold big hands

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@squash1987 We have an article here to address these concerns: https://help.replaypoker.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001727373-Is-Replay-Poker-fair

Here’s my thought on Replay

Poker is a game of chance and online poker is supposed to be random. Random means nobody knows the outcome of a hand before the final cards is dealt and a showdown ensues.

Unfortunately that is not what happens at Replay. Replay knows the outcome of a hand perhaps after the hole cards but definitely by the time the flop is complete. What that means is that the last 2 cards may manipulated to a desired outcome. Why would Replay care? Because they sell chips. They have no other income stream so it behooves them to collect data on who has bought chips in the past and who hasn’t. They don’t really care who wins the hand moreso who loses the hand.

Where’s my proof? Go to a table where you enough to buy in but not enough to refill. By the turn at the latest you will hear a computer generated sound that means you don’t have the necessary bank to rechip. So by at the very latest Replay knows before the turn that you will be chipless or need to rebuy some chips. That isn’t random in any book.

Don’t believe it? Put it to the test. I am 100% right no this.

The question now is will Replay allow post to be published?

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The deck is in order before the hand starts, so yes, in theory Reply would be able to determine who would win every hand before it starts.
That assumes that every single player is going to get to showdown though, which is clearly not the case. Replay has no ability to control when people bet, call or fold, so they can’t control or know who will actually win any hand.
I’m pretty sure the sound you’re hearing is the warning you only have 5 seconds left to act. Why would Replay add a “you’e going to lose this hand and we’re cheating” alarm? Your theory just doesn’t make any sense, and no-one with any sense is going to sit with almost their entire bankroll on the table just to test it out.

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Just a thought:

I know it is possible to compute/calculate every possible permutation of play in a hand of poker once the order of the cards is set. Every variable and every possible decision tree each player could make could be accounted for. Computers excel in that kind of calculation.

Now think about the amount of computing power and the cost of doing that for every hand played here. I think it would cost far far more money to do that than any possible financial gain to be had from setting up a condition where a player might buy some more chips… :thinking:

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Either you widly overestimate the “computing power” required to perform any calculation of this level or understimate the capacity of computing power that a computer or server has.

Either way, you don’t need to calculate anything about player decisions, just which player would provide more value in winning or losing to the company.

If a player has historically bought chips you can flop him two pair to get him interested and then give the pot away to his opponent on the river and turn. There’s no computational power or decision trees required to implement that.

To suggest it would cost more money to set up an elaborate scam than it would be worth is just plain naive, sorry. Whether Replay Poker does that or not is clearly up to debate, but the objective truth of it is that it is absolutely profitable. If it was not profitable it would not be a topic of discussion.

It’s not clear to me it would be profitable. The fact that people are discussing it doesn’t mean anything because people are largely complaining that the people who buy chips are being favored, and it’s hard to see how that makes money.
Anyway, bankrupting players who buy chips would generate some income, but there are also potential loses (players leaving or buying smaller packages because they stick to lower stakes). I don’t think it’s quite as simple to rig as you suggest either. Your scenario assumes the opponent is always being given a price where they can chase or that there in on it. Sure you can keep setting up situations like that, but then it becomes increasingly likely that it could be proved the site was rigged, and then you’d likely lose all your customers.
I think we both agree that the point of rigging it would be to de-value purchased chips, but there’s much easier ways to do that. You can just increase the amount of chips given away or purchased for a start. You don’t need an elaborate scam.

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I hope the people who run the site read this message.

I’m in the big blind and been dealt a 4-6 off. No one raises and I just check my option. The flop comes out Ace, 4, and 6. I bet $150 on my two pair. Everyone calls. That is fine, I like the action with the pot building up. Fourth street gives me a full house with another 6 on the board. I check and see if I can check-raise someone who bets, but everyone checks too. Fifth street is a King. I bet $300 and the player behind me raises me up to $1000. The other two players fold. I jam and go all-in. I get a quick call. The other player is holding pocket Aces. He has Aces full and that tops my 6s full. I lose an all-in on a two hold that I made a full house out of when I was in the big blind and never got raised. Now the other player didn’t raise his aces because there were two players playing recklessly and raising pre-flop most hands. He was probably trying to trap them pre-flop. For me, it wasn’t fair to be in that type of position. I would have folded any pre-flop raise and I wasn’t giving no chance to win a hand even though the board gave me a full house.

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wah wah wah ,it’s a game of chance and this happens to alot of players lol

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I am getting so sick and tired of the idiot donks (players who call a massive raise with the absolute worst hands) who get sucked off over and over again.

Please don’t comment with “oh well, it’s just a bad beat” because that would insinuate that it is just an occasional situation, but this happens in every single tournament!

I get aces, some jagoff jams w/ J5 and what do you know, the river always sucks them off!

Kings in the pocket, and donks call with any two cards sucks out on the river! every time!

The “RNG” on this site is no better, potentially even worse than pokerstars!

People with millions of chips say "oh just keep trying you’ll get there, but I guarantee you they’re the ones the “rng” favors in the hand!

This is also the reason I cannot seem to win a damned tourney!

Constant straight and flush draws don’t help either. This is also not something that occurs once in a while, but in every single tournament in multiple hands in a row!

It occurs too often to be chance or coincidence. What this is, is BS!!!

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