The fairness debate

Replay doesn’t have real cash games, it’s play chips.

And quite frankly, it’s getting real tedious hearing so many complaints about losing to this and losing to that. Here’s the bottom line: It’s virtual poker! You play the hand you are dealt. It’s up to you how you play that hand. Anything can lose to anything post-flop.

I suggest instead of complaining, try a different method, different game type, different stakes, something, because complaining about losing hands doesn’t bring back any chips.

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Far from it, and it’s usually people like you with your negative comments and complaints are what ruin the community unfortunately.

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fleeter,
There is another forum re poker on the tinternet called 2+2 it’s the biggest poker forum on the planet, it explains this subject and why online poker is different from live play, the subject is done to death,
If it was fixed the companies would be busted by just one whistle-blower, not happened yet, me thinks, for a reason.
Even play chip gambling is addictive, people will keep coming back regardless no one would mess with a perfectly working business plan, not worth it. No offence meant.
Mark

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I don’t buy that dealing on this site is random.

Odds of flopping a straight with gapping cards is less than 1%
Odds of flopping 2 pair is les than 2%
Odds of two players flopping the same pair is less than 5%

This all happening on Replay in one hand on the flop = Normal

Before anyone says that is one hand, realize I have save countless hands like these.

Take a look at hand #1067710940

Hand 1067710940 is totally a normal hand on this site and it is totally random. 2+2=5 and I love Big Brother in case the site is monitoring this discussion.

Here is another doozy

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I have to say I am Numb to everything you point out because I see the same stuff every day and It is not Normal, I was playing in a tournament at the final table. We were dealt 3 suited to the board on the flop 7 times in a row and of course the winning hand was a flush 7 times in a row. Never seen anything like it. This too happens every day and players are playing any 2 suited hole cards to the river and winning, beating my 3 of a kind, straight etc. with a 9-2, 7-2 suited, anything suited because they know its going to hit, I know its going to hit and its ridiculous.

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I looked through your last 200 hands, only 7 total were won with a flush. Only one of those was on a monotone board where someone had two flush cards. Only two of the seven flushes happened in a row.

I’m not saying your original story didn’t happen, but your hand history proves it’s not happening every day.

Poker is an incredibly high variance game that’s brutally unfair a lot of the time, so we’ve all been through stages we question if it’s rigged, that doesn’t mean it is though.

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all we all playing on the same sight?
play quality cards… and your chances of winning aver all will improve… but this poker… so sometimes your pocket KK will be beat by someone w/ pocket AA… my advice is fold more… and if you do play a hand… try and be the 1st one to bet the hand… do this and you will win more.

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Or better yet: just close your account. Ever since this site was created there have been naysayers, crybabies, etc. trying to prove their pointless claims. If it bothers you that bad rather than just having a relaxing game then LEAVE!

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I agree! Well put

I think that people who join trnys and sit out for more than 5 hands should be kicked out of game thats not playing and in the sit and gos 3 hands max before being booted out thats not playing

you can’t see tournament table hands LOL

Yes you can. It only lists the latest Ring Game Hands on a profile page, but if you select View latest Hands, it will show tournament hands there.

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I was following one guy. He had more than 150 million. Looked one day and he lost everything. Went back in a week to see how he was doing…hes up 80 million.

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It’s fascinating to read people getting emotional over math. Poker is a strange game, and psychology is an integral part of the game.
Here is a legit question though: Do we assign an extraordinary meaning to every low probability event?
So that whenever a low probability event happens, that must mean something? That the site is rigged, or that God hates us, etc.?
Low probability events happen on the regular, it’s part of statistical distribution of events.
Btw, if you are interested I’ll share with you a hand that happened to me, which I have witnesses of happening, since they were behind me watching the play, that you’ll never hear from anyone else that that hand happened to them as well. The hand is so rare, that it would take 1000’s of players to play over 40 years and see a heavy volume of hands and still not experience this hand happening again.
And yet, when it happened, I didn’t assign a meaning to it, for example “The site is rigged.” … Again cause low probability events happen. And they happen about as often as they should be happening. Your claim that the site is rigged, could be proven by some stat tracking, for example. But if you do that though (and I have done this in the past), what you find out is that the rare hands happen as often as they should be happening.
So another question to put that point into focus is: How many times have you seen that hand happened before, or since? … Probably not many times.

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the “statistical distribution of events” is whats messed up. You either dont play enough to see it or your being obtuse by saying this site is fair. Its not. You need a few years of real poker play. Then tell me what you think.

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this discussion used to come up a lot in the pokerstars forum. The forum people took exactly the same attitude 20 years ago. “are you telling me pokerstars is rigged…your a fish”

We all now know pokerstars is rigged because they cant prove to any court on the planet, that their software is fair. Online poker is rigged.

think of replays business model. Good players play themselves into a no deposit situation. So replay relies on the fish to deposit. If those fish were just slaughtered in a fair fight, you would loose all your fish. So the fish get a rollercoaster ride of wins and loses. Eventually they lose. But its the wins the fish gets, that brings them back. Good players must lose to fish for the business model to work.

the last comment I will make is that after you reach a certain level of poker play, you only lose against the odds or you realise your mistake. Thats when you realize you are losing against the odds too many times.

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I don’t know much about pokerstars, but it’s impossible to prove that any poker site is fair. The best you can do is pass any and every test that would prove the site is rigged. Proving a site is biased is possible, but despite that, I’m not aware of any evidence showing that to be the case. (There’s definitely been cheating both here and on other sites, but none of the cases I’m aware of involved the deal being manipulated in any way)
I don’t expect to change anyones mind, but I do want to push back against the idea that losing more than expected means that a site is rigged. Variance in poker is massive and people thinking they are guaranteed to win just because they have an edge over their opponents is a potentially costly mistake to make. It will be true in the long run, but the long run in most forms of poker is at least several million hands.
The great thing about Replay is that the cost of this variance can be zero in real world money.

@FACEOFGOD
How do you suggest any poker site prove they are not rigged?. So tell me? . You are the player here alleging nefarious activity so show me a modicum of proof. Show me analysis of 10,000 consecutive hands.