Hi Replay
I notice the rankings have disappeared, which is not a problem to me. I heard it was based soley on chip count, which allowed some to buy their high rank.
I have a suggestion about replacing the ranking with a VPIP divided by pots won formula. I have no clue how hard it is to write code, but if you want to give everyone an accurate metric of how well someone is doing, I think this would provide the needed information.
Thanks
There have been discussions regarding the ranking system daily with no resolve, due to many different issues.
The best way to determine actual rank IMO is to go by total points currently called tournament points. However ring game points would have to be included in the total points. Replay has a calculation already for ring games for promotions that would need to be included, in all ring games.
Pro’s - This would IMO determine the true ranking number among the 3 categories, High, Med & Low.
Con’s -
- The problem then would be those who do buy chips supporting, keeping the site operating would not be rewarded in the ranking position
- If current players, who do buy chips decide to stop supporting site, would it still be a Free Poker site?
Replay is the Best Free online poker site, I have ever found & would hate to see the word Free removed from that statement
I believe the current issue with missing ranking numbers is a technical problem as it also happened once in March,2023 and was corrected. I’m sure we will hear from Replay Staff Monday, regarding the issue.
Tournament points are largely just a measure of volume. The ring game points even more so.
No-one thinks rank directly equates to skill, but if Replay chips were real money it’s hard to imagine someone wouldn’t trade every single tournament point for more chips. Chips is a pretty crude way to rank players, but it’s also pure in a way. Most other suggestions seem kind of arbitrary.
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I kind of agree that chips need to be considered in a ranking system but i think the biggest other complaint about just using chips is it doesn’t completely account for playing skill level.
Agreed, but there isn’t really a measure that does. ROI is good, because it’s largely independent of volume, and works for ring and tournaments, but it doesn’t account for higher stake games typically being tougher and requiring more skill to get similar results.
Sure you could weight that by total chips, as well as hands played, but who decides what those weights are? There isn’t a clearly correct answer, so they would have to be somewhat arbitrarily chosen.
Skill is also subjective. Is someone who can increase their bankroll faster by playing multiple tournaments at once more or less skillful than someone who plays only one but has slightly better results per tournament? Is winning a tournament worth more than min cashing in several for the same overall return? etc
chips = rank is problem the cleanest way to do it. I do wish Replay tracked other stats as well though. BB/100 would be nice for cash games, and In The Money and Win Percentages for tournaments, ROI for both, etc.
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Like I stated I have no problem with chips. But I keep thinking back a couple of years ago when I was reviewing one of the Toplist top 10 hands. One of the multi-billionaires went on Tilt against one player with repeated multi 200 million buy-ins. The player went Bingo each beginning hand and the other player who had an entire beginning BR of several hundred million kept calling and eventually became a billionaire player just during that session.
Is that evidence of skill level because if it was real money no one would make those raises and calls?
I wish I could remember the new billionaire player’s handle so I can check what his current BR is today.
If you probably review the Toplist top 10 hands today, I’m sure you’ll see several hands when a billion chips are won and lost.
Is that considered skill or an accurate ranking?
I think most of the top 10 biggest pots are huge punts, but I’ve also played against most of those players a decent amount, and can assure you they have more to their game than that. You can’t often trade billions of chips cheaply unless you’ve won them the hard way in the first place. Doesn’t mean they’re the most skilled players on the site, but it would be a mistake to right them off based on just a few hands
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Game selection is a skill. If you can locate the billionaire punting stacks left and right, find a strategy that gives you an edge, and consistently execute that strategy at the table, you deserve every chip you win.
It’s the exact same “irl” for real money. Before I learned any real theory, I was a solid winner at $1/2 cash in casinos because:
-I almost always played late nights on Fridays and Saturdays
-I would sit out the first 2 orbits, identify the pros (and avoid them) and the fish (and play as many pots with them as possible)
This allowed me to be profitable even though my skill level was low, because my game selection was great.
Anyway I now play almost exclusively the highest games going on the site, and I still haven’t raked a pot for over 300 million chips. So I guess the scenario you are describing doesn’t happen that often.
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Just review the Toplist top 10 hands they frequently change and is not static. I haven’t done it in a while, but I used to do it at least once a month for several years. Don’t just review the top 10 hands, you need to review the previous and following hands of each to get a feel of their play.