It happens-cash game 3 months ago i flopped quads and guy rivered me with higher quads, nothing to do as he was not going out flopping a house----i did say some awww bad words that shocked my wife though:)
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Bill, I’ve seen you in Omaha. What is your opinion about how people on this site play Omaha (Hi or Hi/Lo) versus casinos?
One of these days, I’ll “graduate” to HoldEm. Just so much less actionable hands. But when there is action, much more intense.
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Holy cow! Well in that case then it’s truly just bad luck. The only thing worse is if a ten, jack, queen, and king of one suit is displayed and you’re holding the nine for a straight flush and your opponent has the ace for a royal flush.
They don’t bet as much as they call in my experience. Really, you can and should play quads the same as any other value hand on a paired board. If people are overfolding on paired boards, the adjustment you should make is not to start checking quads, it’s to bluff way more often.
Just in case anyone’s interested in some data, I have ~130 hands in my database where someone flopped quads:
The ideal situation is where someone has bet in front of us - which happens about 20% of the time. Obviously here we just want to call, and when we do, we win about 44bb per hand on average.
When it gets checked to us, players are checking about 80% of the time, but that only wins 29bb per hand. In the remaining 20% of cases where players bet, they win 35bb per hand.
There’s not really a huge difference between those numbers, given the sample size. When I look at the hands, they’re almost always all or nothing. The opponent either has a very good hand and stacks go in, or they don’t and there’s no money to be made. The cases in between are outliers in an already extreme situation, so play the hand however you want, it rarely matters.
FWIW, I don’t have a single hand in my database where someone flopped quads and lost, so I feel like there should be an extra special Replay badge for that one @Seastheday
Hi there there’s it’s called bad beat when u lose with quads or betteri wish I had saved hand but was so shocked I didn’t I had 6s he had js
Hello there, i honestly have no clue lol-I just started playing Omaha (and Omaha-hi/lo) on this site about 14 months ago, just learning it. I played mostly 7 stud n 7 stud hi-lo in casinos but had to learn hold-em as that is what most ppl. play now. I played Omaha ONCE years ago in the casino and awww folded quad aces as i thought u had to use 2 cards (now i know other is a kicker) and was glad everyone at the table had a great lol on me:)
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Thanks. I know that I am different playing for real money when I have played blackjack and backgammon where bluffing is not an issue. For poker for money, I think I’d be too much of a wimp and be pushed around. And that mindset would have me playing too much as a station. So I’ve taken myself out of the game before I start 
I do like the setup here. And in Hi/Lo there is a lot more talking at the table. I’ve only payed a couple HoldEm tournaments and they were very quiet.
Take care
Tom
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When i first started playing in casinos i was SOOOO scared and lost money being pushed around etc. by players-After a while we learn to push back:).
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The logical play is to check the flop. Bet moderately on the turn and finess the river.
Obviously checking flopped quads keeps Villains in the hand and makes them think that you’re weak, but the overlooked advantage of checking is that it really helps you size your value bets for later streets. The disadvantage is that you;re throwing away a street of value. Either way is fine. Every situation is a little different and sometimes one way is a little better than another. If you are 4 or 5 handed, checking is much more likely to get SOMEONE to bet into you for instance.
Example of how to get MAX vale with KK, Quads, in the 2.5 mil buy in Bring the Rain, 50 mil prize pool, 4th place finish, about 7 mil cash.
A3 suited limped in. KK raised to 2.5 x bb from SB. BB folded, A3 suited called.
AKx flop. Bet half pot.
Turn K. checked to look weak, like I had cbetted with Air, and was checking, giving up, weak, with the plan to bet pot on river, with the idea that it would look like I missed draw, had busted draw that bluffing.
River: Ace.
Bet pot. Villain reraised all in. Called.
Hand History link.
Preflop raise size was perfect. And cbet size on flop was perfect. Check on turn was perfect. Plan was perfect. flop bet was perfect. Whole hand perfect.
Also note, this is why dont limp call preflop with A3 suited.
Also note, this is why occasionally semi bluff, bluff, as doing that and showing, gets these hands paid off nicely.
I don’t think this is perfect. The link isn’t working for me, but based on your account:
- your raise preflop is too small, especially when you’re in the small blind
- 1/2 pot is fine on the flop, but with KK you can go larger. You’re unblocking top pair, and really exactly the same hands are going to call if you bet 1/2 or full pot. Ax, QJ, JT likely aren’t even folding to overbet.
- Nothing to do but check the turn here. I don’t think it looks like you have air though - that should keep betting. It looks like you have an ace and now have to worry your opponent has trips, or you have AK and the board completely locked up.
- Full pot is too large on the river. Ok, in a tournament it doesn’t really make a huge difference, because an A should always raise, but in a ring game I’d only be calling a pot sized bet with an A. Nothing worse should call a raise, and I don’t want to pay more rake than I need to. A small size will always get raised by an A, but might also get called by Q high.
A hand were the best possible full house loses to quad kings doesn’t really illustrate much.
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“this is why don’t limp call preflop with A3 suited”
yes because you could run into quads
if you stick to premium hands, you won’t lose when you… run into… quads
I’m enjoying imagining the post we get if you had the A3 suited and the other guy had K9s - “this is why you don’t play K9s in a single raised pot” 
Say what? 
Somehow I have a hard time seeing that, AA KK AK suited won’t all lose to lower quads 99.9% of the time, Unless the board and your bet reflect quad As Ks or Str8 flush and they fold quads. (not happening or maybe 0.1%)
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I think if you flop quads, you know you’re going to win the hand, you’d want to bet it so you get the most chips possible depending on the entire situation. Perhaps check if you think another player will bet, perhaps a small bet will get another to raise and be trapped. Honestly, it’s not that much to strategize about since how often do you actually flop quads?
A question(s) that comes about a lot more often would be if you flop trips, or your set, or a straight or a flush should you check?
I’d likely be tempted to check on all of those except flopping trips.
Couple years ago I actually FLOPPED a royal flush…Slow played by calling a small bet, player to my left raised…we raised back and forth until all in, sadly for him he flopped a flush as well
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You don’t always win hand I had quad 6s and lost to quad js
Yeah, you’re right, that must have been really brutal!
Practically always win anyway, I’m certain I’d always be all in lol.
It depends!! I’ve noticed a pair of something like 8’s or better or so on the flop causes everyone to fold with any raises. Btw, you want someone to call you all the way to the River.
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