have you ever folded K-K pre-flop?
if so please explain circumstances
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On Replay I don’t think I ever have or ever will. In real money tournaments facing a preflop raise from a tight player on the bubble or near a pay jump, I have maybe once or twice but this is very rare. I was very short stacked maybe <4bb and my only reasonable goal was to try to survive for another few hands to make more money.
I can only remember doing it once in a live cash game, facing a preflop 4-bet from an older gentleman who was playing very few hands. He showed aces after I folded so it was the right move.
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Yes i have done it a few times becuse i have won a few times in a row and wanted make them to think and i have done it when the other guy have a A and in a roll or crazy dudes with crazy raze!
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yes … it is tough
i did it once on pokerstars… large bet from early position… a call then… a shove…
i have K-K … i think about it too long… time out lol
hands were A-K… Q-Q and A-A
dumb thing was a K hit on the river lol
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Thats the beuty in poker! You can lose all with AA or win all with nothing,doen it all haha! All i know its sometimes right to fold KK,you have to feel it!!
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Hi kc. Just noticed your post about KK. Speaking for myself I would laydown kk and possibly AA if I’m on the bubble with a moderate stack at a nine-seat table in poor position with an excellent chance to cash and a reasonable chance to win. Under these conditions I would trade the good chance to enlarge my stack with the certainty of cashing and the possibility of winning. In a live tourney for real cash I wouldn’t give it a second thought.
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I have fold a few too already because the Raises were to high, in the end its just a Pair Kings its obviously a strong pair pre flop but ive seen a lot of Player who all in with AA or KK and then lose to someone calling with 82 because he got 8Q259 on the Table and win with Two Pair Eights and Twos while the other Guy has only a Pair Aces. In my Opinion its as i said: Pockets are Just a Pair i think u have more opportunities with A and K of Clubs or 9 and 10 of clubs as u have in my eyes good chances for both Flush or Straight and thats more then just a Single Pair. So in some Situations even with low Stack id prefer fold KK since its just a pair. Sometimes its a Regret and Sometimes im glad having done it.
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3 times live … each to 4 bets
once in 2nd day of 2 day tourney w/ above avg. stack player 4 bet all in and had me covered … later said he had AA when asked
twice to very tight players … each showed AA
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I have not - yet. In general I try to be tough pre-flop but in the end it‘s just a pair like Magmatic-Ang says. So with lot of pressure I might fold. Definitely not worth for an all-in per-Flop in my opinion.
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I can see some situations where one might fold that hand. This applies to tournaments not to cash games.
You are in Middle position and are one of the tournament leaders. Under the gun raises to open, you flat call, intending to bet if there is no Ace or Queen on the flop, but then the big blind shoves with a stack size that would do you a lot of damage, and the under the gun calls. I think I would just fold and let them have at it rather than risk going back to the middle of the field. King King is certainly a good starting hand, but very vulnerable to any Ace.
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Yes, once, here on replay. I was convinced that a particular player would only jam preflop with bullets, and when he 5 bet jammed me, I folded the cowboys like they were AQ off suit on a bad day. And, sure enough, he had bullets.
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kk is really tough to laydown, just played one where I should have, didn’t listen to my gut feeling like I should have. 2nd hand in tournament, 3 of us in after rainbow flop with q high. Raising went on, one guy out, other guy shoves and I couldn’t resist. He had the aces and I was gone. Seems often here when one player gets a pp, two others have one as well. Sadly I didn’t get the Replay luck where the low pp wins, lol.
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KK, very nice:
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Always play the kings here and toss the aces. 6/10 times Kings win.
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Surely the decision will depend on the type of game and the size of the relative stacks involved.
If you are small stacked in a ring game, you have little to lose by going all in with the Kings, and even if you are up against AA you may still win by hitting a set or a straight or a flush.
On the other hand, if you have been playing for 3 hours and you built a large stack in a ring game and the opponent has a stack half the size of yours, then it is probably better to fold.
Here’s a kind of example of the dynamics in play in this and similar situations.
I was playing in a ring game last night and I was in the small blind and limped in with K9 spades. My stack was a million chips, and the player in the dealer position had also limped in with 300,000 chips in his/her/them’s stack.
The flop came AQ8, all spades, so I had flopped the nut flush. Player in dealer position shoves all-in with Q8. I called and a Queen came on the turn, so I lost the pot and 1/3 of my stack.
Was I right to call, and was my opponent right to shove? You could conceivably argue that both players made the right decision, but perhaps for the wrong reasons.
Presumably my opponent shoved to try to prevent me from drawing to a flush. Perhaps if he could have seen my cards, he would have sized his bet differently. He would still have won the pot, but it would probably have been smaller.
As Sklansky says, poker is a game of uncertainties. Theoretically you could play perfectly if you could always see your opponent’s cards
It is rather similar in the AA versus King King situation. It could be correct for both players to go all in in certain situations, but it is not necessarily correct play to risk a large part of your whole stack every time you have AA or KK, because you might be winning lots of pots and generally out playing your table already without much risk.
Of course in RP there is the play money factor. Since you are not playing for real money, it is always fun to see if you can win a huge pot with cowboys, so you are almost certainly going to call every time.
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Unfortunate turn of the cards. I wouldn’t have folded but that’s just me and my logic as far as Replay is concerned
I think both of you played it correctly. Regarding your analysis I’d say yes, yes, yes and yes.
Would anyone on here want to admit in this thread that they would’ve folded the nut flush on the Flop when someone shoves all-in whether playing for real money or for fake chips?
I would never do that and I wouldn’t believe them. They would have to show the replay.
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Right, that’s why I said I would never fold. Poker is also a game of chance especially here.
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I have folded KK on many occasions in tournaments while on the bubble. Plus I’d fold depending on someone’s bet if an A was on the flop. Know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em lol Sometimes I kick myself for folding but I can’t predict the coming cards.
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That’s interesting, but the OP’s original question was if anyone has folded KK preflop when someone else has gone all in or maybe (I’m guessing) puts you all in.
That’s a gutsy move on your part Bubble or not.
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