- Don’t get involved in ego wars. Our advantage is our stronger (tighter) range!
- Always 3bet preflop.
- Let them hang themselves!
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- Fight fire with fire, IF IF, your range is tight enough, and IF know how to do thjat effectively, and if in right situation, positions. EXAMPLE. Your on the BB. You have a 18 bb stack. Wild, Aggressive 29 to 33 bb mid stack raises your BB from the SB, after open folded around to Wild, Crazy SB. That Wild Crazy player has been doing that a lot. That players range is 54 suited, 64s, 65s, 76s, 87s, 86, 97, 98, T9, T8, T7, J7, J8, J9, Q7s, Q8s, Q9, QT, QJ, K6s, K7,K8,K9,KT, 22, etc. Blinds are 750/1500, mid to late, deep tournament.
So what’s the right kind of play in those situations, spots? 67% of time, flat call or 3 bet, or fold depending on hand strength, play generally tight, and about 33% of time reraise, shove all in, resteal with A6s,A7s,A8s,A9s, KTs, KJ, KQ, QTs, QJ, JTs, T9s, 22,33. If Wild Crazy player continues to play Wild Crazy on your BB, etc, continue strategy. If player stops, and starts raising your BB with a tighter range, then back off this strategy.
Do this strategy against cbets, bets, postflop, occasionally about 13% to 27% of time, depending on board texture, situation, etc. Example. Wild Player raises from cut off, you flat call on Hi Jack. The flop is 543. You Check. Wild Crazy player cbets half pot. You have been tight, you have good tight image, flop more likely hits your range, flop more likely misses wild crazy player’s raising range. So after you check, and after wild crazy player cbets, bets, then check raise 3/5 to 2/3 to 3/4 to 4/5 pot to full pot, and if called, and if a card like 8,9,T,J hit urn, which better for your range then wild crazy players range then bet, bluff, double barrel turn. If get called, probably give up at that point. Only do this about 7% to 13% to 27% of time. Unless get unlucky, this will probably fold out Wild, Crazy player, and will probably chip up off of, EXPLOIT Wild, Crazy player. And if get caught, then when you do this with the goods, then Wild, Crazy player will probably call, stack off, punt to you.
This is a effective, calculated, selective, strategic strategy. But that said, it’s not for everybody, and is only good for those that execute this strategy correctly, and only good for those that have a range advantage, and can recognize when they have a range advantage, and only for those that recognize, read good flops for them, good turn cards, good at hand range reading opponents, only good for those that play tight enough, have a good enough image, etc.
If a person does this strategy in bad spots, or if this strategy is not for them, because they dont know how to do it well, then this strategy can probably will blow up in the face of somebody not using this strategy correctly, quite often.
This is a advanced strategy, and as such is not for everybody.
But it can be a good strategy.
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Wow. I guess when you show a 7 2 and win with a miracle 8 3, your bluffs don’t carry much weight but wow triple barreling with 5 7 off after you 3 bet him pre flop and continued. Total ego play and great job being patient and having ice water in your veins to call the turn and river. Nothing more satisfying then stacking someone who showed you 7 2 earlier.
Once again, If it was real money, You’d all be broke playing mind games, Headed for a rubber room.
Please let Me know where Ya play for real money and I’ll be there before You can yell I’m broke!
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Actually Younguru, and myself, not only play real money, but have, and continue to do so profitably, over a long term sample size, ignoring past temporary short term bad beat bad runs, etc.
Same for Rain(runs Nordic Warriors). Tho don’t know for sure pretty sure Southwest MBA occasionally plays real money at least semi profitably.
In GENERAL what some to semi most, semi lots are saying to do here, in this, these kind of spots, against Real, Truly Wild, Crazy, Super hyper Aggressive, semi maniac players, is the right play, thing to do.
And as for myself I play the same way, or I try extremely hard to play the same way in both for real money, and here. This means in both real money, and here I often, can, will probably semi bluff, bluff, bluff catch call, fight fire with fire, ETC, USUALLY IN THE RIGHT SPOTS, SITUATIONS, IN GENERAL, EXCEPT FOR UNCOMMON OCCASIONAL EXCEPTIONS.
These things are talked about by Chris Ferguson’s Book, Harrington on Hold Em, Upswing Poker, Negreanu’s Videos, Doug Polk videos, Nathan Blackrain, Bart Hanson at Crush Live Poker, Jonathan Little, etc, and are quite doable, and are done by LOTS of profitable real money players, quite often, and are doable if PRACTICE, STUDY, ETC.
Also just because some of us are here, does not mean that the reason we are here is supposedly we can’t hack it in real money. VERY HIGH STAKES HERE IS GREAT PRACTICE for real money, or at least can be. There are factors like how far away casinos can be from where you live, how less often some casinos have tournaments, poker, LESS FREQUENTLY, how in some states it’s a CLASS C FELONY, ETC, to play real money poker online, etc.
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that depend a lot of the exact profile of the bro imo, if the bro is an aggressive guy who can still know he has a fold button , i understand your opinion, but if the bro doesn’t know he has a fold button you dont fight fire by fire imo, you fold every time flop when you cant call 3 barrels and call the 3 barrels when you have the hand. Just my opinion.
There is some important distinctions to be made, when considering, if going to do Fight fire with fire.
- If they have a fold button, and know how to use it, like you said.
- IF IF IF they are Ultimate Wild, Crazy, extremely hyper agressive, with ATC(any 2 cards), all the time, nonstop, AND AND IF IF you have a hand like A6 to AK, KQ, KJ, 22 that miss board, THAT is 90% of time beats anything, everything such a freak, maniac has. Against such a player, if such a player is betting every street, every board, every hand, ALL THE TIME, NO MATTER WHAT, then can reraise, fight fire with fire with bottom pair, draws, middle pair, top pair worst kicker, A6+ to AK high air, KQ, KJ, KT high air, QJ high air, 22+
If the player is only semi aggressive to aggressive, and maybe seems too aggressive, but not a maniac, and is a semi call station, then that kind of player that dont, cant play, shouldnt play fight fire with fire.
Like I said, have too, should be extremely careful when it comes to fight fire with fire strategy. It shouldnt be used all the time. It shouldnt be used against all agressive players. And its a ADVANCED strategy, technique, play, and should only be used by players that either know how, when to use the strategy, and those that can learn how to do fight fire with fire in good, correct spots.
And like I said, if fight fire with fire is not done right, not done in good spots, done in bad spots, then it can, probably will BLOW UP IN YOUR FACE.
And like I said, fight fire with fire is NOT FOR ANYBODY, EVERYBODY.
I did give out that cautionary warning.
That said, it can be effective.
I myself fight fire with fire about 3% to 5% to 7% to 9% to 13% to 17% of time, depending on spot, player, situation, etc, and if, when I do fight fire with fire, it’s effective about 80% of time.
Also while playing tight, trying to wait to get a bluff catch hand, monster hand, wait to let them hang themselves, etc, is the right best way to play normally, overall, that still assumes that your going to get a bluff catching hand, get a good hand, get the right, good opportunity, etc, get to see the player hang themselves against you, etc.
If you go semi card dead ish, then your folding forever until your 4 to 8 to 12 bb’s in a tournament, against the player. The player will keep betting, raising, preflop, every hand, every street postflop, with you folding nonstop, all the time, because your not getting the right cards, opportunities, etc, until the player runs you over, runs you into the ground, blinds you down to 3 to 6 to 9 to 12 bb stack in a tournament. Eventually you if this starts to happen, eventually you have to fight back, fight fire with fire, RESTEAL, etc. If you dont, eventually you will get bullied to death by the player, waiting for the right, perfect cards, opportunities, etc, waiting to get top pair top kicker, 2 pair, set, middle pair great kicker, straight, flush, trips, wait for the player to hang themselves, waiting, waiting, waiting, and it doesn’t come, happen. and your down to 3bb, shove it all in, bust out, and what you were waiting for, didnt happen. Now granted that only happens about 30% of time, but it does occassionally happen, and if that happens, and if its in the right spots, situations, players, etc, then sometimes you have to, should fight back, fight fire with fire, make, take a stand, etc, against the player.
Yeah sure, sometimes that means you bust out, etc. But most of the time it will work for you.
That said, fighting fire with fire, is ADVANCED, and should be CAREFUL with, and IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY, ETC.
@Asuronetorius 130 commas holy cow lmao
(yes I counted)
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You’re SO advanced, W0W! 
When I play with aggressive players that play chips instead of poker hands, I just wait and smile to myself because I will bust them soon. With a good hand take them out. I like silly aggressive players.
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Yup. Tighten right up and call. Cakewalk.
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So, you can call me wildly aggressive…I blow through play chips like crazy. BUT…only if I ‘sit’ at a table and every knucklehead at the table calls EVERY hand preflop with no raise…that’s as unrealistic of play as someone raising every hand every street. If you play that way, why not have everyone post then flip the cards up and see who wins? Why do you only raise big hands and when you hit the flop? In a ‘real’ cash game or tournament you would NOT see a 7,8 or 9 way flop every hand! It’s beyond unrealistic and if the table plays like that then I am raising every single time. My play isn’t less real than being a calling station.
But if the table is playing ‘normally’, I will slow down to being tight/aggressive.
I just match the stupidity and watch the meltdowns in the comments.
Aggressive players can be a real annoyance. The way i deal with them is to fold my cards until i get a premium hand. At that time i go all in, overbetting them if possible, or doing that prior to them, depending where we are searwd. If i can make that prior play. Sometimes in tournament play you need to take a chance that the aggressive player has nothing in their hand of substance. This may be illogical to tighter players, and there is always the chance the aggressive player does have a good hand at that poiny.
I am normally a tighter player in a tournament, at least until my bank has built up, then i go for it if i accept that i can be knocked off the table. However, I, loke you, just flat out get tired of aggressive players.
I have played poker for over 30 years now, so i sometimes am willing to be defeated if that happens, but seldom get irritated while playing, even if i played a bad play ,ecause bad play i my own fault and no one else"s. Staying calm, using thoughtful skills you have learned, will often take you to the final table. Take care, have fun, and if you lose a hand, think about what went wrong and correct your play by retaining ideas on how to display your skills…instead of hampering your play by being emotional when mistakes in play happen, Merry Christmas (if you celebrate the holiday), and Happy New Year !!
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“until I get a premium hand.”
The problem is you may never get a “premium hand.” You can wait for dozens, or more, of hands before you get one until the blinds will eat you up. And what is a “premium hand?” A-A, K-K, or Q-Q? Ignore the guy and just play your normal selective aggressive game and you will, hopefully, make it to the money.
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Well a wild aggro player is not likely to last deep into a tourney to where you are too short stacked to wait for prime. It happens but it is rare, such is poker.
In ring games this is not a problem.
I think this dude is blowing a lot of smoke. 
No, Really it was the Topic starter who was taken down for arrogance so often HERE that the responces to him make no sense now because Topic starter deleted His Own posts!
Bah,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha! 
@KILLMISTER man, you sure talk a lot for a guy with 6M chips
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