The fairness debate

I consider myself a fairly good poker player. That said, replay poker IS NOT poker!!! It’s play poker. The paying customers do certainly have the advantage. That’s why the rest of us get to play free. LOL. I am a conservative player and did at one time win over 500k and then in one day it was all gone and I did not change the way I played the game. In about one hour I had several flushes, straight flush four of a kind etc and got beat on the river. lost all the chips in the end. Now I just log, get the free chips and play until they are gone. Have fun everyone. Don’t take the game seriously or you will drive yourself crazy. You are probably a better player than you think~!!!

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By the way, I HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A CHIP ON THE SITE!!!

i like Goyychas attitude more of us including myself shoud think that way

The only way the owners of this site can prove that a computer program is not creating most of the hands played is to provide a database of a million hands so it can be analyzed for statistical manipulation. Since what will probably never happen, we are left with silly experiments like this. I will not argue anything, but I am convinced that a computer program creates the action here. It is engineered for maximum engagement to guarantee participation. The program is so simple a high school student could write it, but it works brilliantly. Your seat is either programmed to lose money or to win, and it goes back and forth to keep your bankroll approximately even. It’s all cleverly rigged. The only excuse for some of the insane beats on the river is that sure, players with garbage stay to the river a lot, but that bias doesn’t explain the obvious logic of the program on most of the hands. It’s fun to play here, but it’s not a real deck.

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StyxRiver, sounds like you are very educated. I believe exactly as you do. Thanks for explaining it in a more sophisticated manner. IT’S NOT POKER!!! It’s a fun computer game.

I’m in top 500 and never bought chips.2nd time I’ve been here.1st time got to $8,000,000,then went broke,currently at $14,000,000

i have to agree with that asessment this is how my experience has gone also…i call it juiced ( as In steroid juice)… as long as you are aware that it is not like dealt hands most of the time…you can adjust your thinking and stategies, but then when you play live poker you must adjust back

totally agree

you’re right i play live poker every week 2 different games

Styx, IMO the problem with your analysis is simple … WHAT’S THE POINT?

With the (relatively) small number of people who actually BUY chips, no one @ Replay is getting rich. Certainly a group of programmers who could build a program capable of the manipulation you describe could find a more lucrative way to employ those abilities.

I go back to something I notice in the posts of many who complain about “rigging” @ Replay … you write “… programmed to lose money or …”. Sorry, friend, there’s no “money” on the table @ Replay … only chips, free for the asking.

Relax, enjoy.

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Or go play in the sand pit…
Sorry for that, cant help myself to say it

I think, to be more accurate, this is poker, just not that many poker players.

You can’t seriously think I meant real $$.

Styx,
My point was this … you can’t seriously think that the Replay folks would spend the time and effort to “cleverly rig…” the program for no reason other than to ??? what ???.

Exactly!

No gain, no reason, no point. No rigging.

As I said in my post, there’s a monumentally humongous reason :: It is engineered for maximum engagement to guarantee participation. This simple manipulation results in a huge gain for Replay’s success, because if the cards were randomly distributed most players would become so bored they would leave immediately.

You seem to believe it would be expensive to create the software engine that drives the tables, but as I said in the post, a high school student could easily write it – hell, I could reverse-engineer the logic myself in one hour and post it here.

You speak as if you’re a shill for Replay, claiming that no one is getting rich off the site – how do you know how much money they make from players purchasing chips? They could be rolling in dough beyond their wildest dreams.

Again, the difference between rigging the hands and not rigging them is literally a show stopper. Since the chips are play money no one can sue them for damages – that’s why they get away with it.

I enjoy playing here, but I play here to practice for Hold 'em at live tables, and unfortunately it’s not good practice due to the fantastically manipulated nature of the outcomes. In fact it’s damaging my live play due to the surreal nature of the hands.

For you to pretend you can’t guess why they want to rig the tables is folly. What do they call it? Disingenuous.

Hi spiderwing,
(Do spiders have wings ???)
Of course you are right, once people are brought into the equation statistics go out the window.
However my little bitsy experiment does show that luck does not follow logic.
Bar.

Have you ever played poker before? I played about 100 hands (a tiny sample) with some friends at my house the other night and got busted when my friend who has never played poker before turned over QQ against my pocket 10s, while another friend was also all in with AK. That is what poker is! Anyone who says that poker should not be full of wild hands has never played poker before. There are more hands played in online poker and people play loose because it is not real money. Those are the only reasons.

I have over 20,000,000 chips without contributing a single cent to this site. It is from taking chips from all of the 400,000 members who think they are good at poker and just do not understand how they keep losing. Meanwhile I watch a few youtube videos and calculate probabilities…

Again, as I said – let’s take a look at a database of a million Replay hands. Then we have a baseline for discussion. Otherwise it’s folly to argue foggy facts. Of course there are wild hands and bad beats in real poker. That’s not my point. Thanks for writing.

Hi StyxRiver,
(I’ll give you a wave when Charon is ferrying me across to my eternal damnation.)

I am only 3 months on the site and have had my fair share of both good and bad luck. On the Low monthly leaderboard I was 12th for the 2nd month and 5th last month.I am becoming a better player with time and hope to do better this month.
However, luck is totally unpredictable. I can’t see any reason why the site would favor me over any of the thousands of other players. I take the bad beats as they come and try not to lose too many chips in the process and I am very happy when Lady Luck smiles on me.
I honestly can’t see why anyone would rig the site when the game is so unpredictable anyway, and as spiderwing said, introduce people into that random system and no one knows what might happen.
Thanks for your input.
Bar.

You say you know that there are wild hands in poker, but based upon your previous statement (that the hands on this site are fantastical), it did not seem like you knew that. My point is that no rigging is necessary to make poker an exciting game. In my game with my friends we played about 12 hands per hour, while this site averages about 70 per hour. Combine that with free chips and you’ve got even more fantastical poker.

I have played over 130,000 hands on this site, so I definitely do not see it as “foggy facts”. I know that certain hands stick in the mind and boring hands fade quickly. I have taken so many bad beats, that I take it personally when people suggest that players have to pay to win because I certainly haven’t.