The fairness debate

Thanks smartass but you know what I mean I’m talking preflop allins the worst hand ends up winning, or on the flop.

Made the mistake of playing again in the “Open Happiness” 10k tournament first hand AA hit my ace on flop trip aces they suck out on me all the way to the river and hit their straight. It happens too much here. I play real poker in person almost every day this is not like that. This is a bogus site. I play good cards and they don’t hold up on this site unless I pay apparently.

You have been a member of the site for less than a month. There is no way that you have sufficient sample size. have you played 30,000+ hands?

You clearly didn’t read all my posts I said I’ve made 7 or 8 accounts over the last 2 years. Same ■■■■ happens every account. I have no way to verify your info is accurate and I’ve definnitely played thousands of hands here but I haven’t counted them… All I know is if allin = rivered, happens way more than me winning the hand and I’m talking about when I have the better hand when the villian calls.

Your advice such as “get all your chips in with AA KK” doesn’t work, because that’s usually what I do only to get beaten.

When you have aces and you get 1 caller you’re a 4 to 1 favorite in real poker. There is no way in hell those odds apply here. My Kings have been beaten up so bad the only time I can recall winning with them is when everyone else folded.

Some have said “it’s not rigged against certain players its certain seats that get awarded winning hands over and over” How is that fair or fun either? So you have to get lucky and get a certain seat to win? That isn’t fun or fair, and it takes all the skill out of it. It’s already an uphill battle facing 3 or 4 donkeys on a table but if the cards in their favor forget it.

Again, I have played over 50000 hands, I didnt buy any chips and acculated 6.6 million. Till I hit the 3.5 million mark I played only MTT then I started playing ring games and to be honest played to much hands, only folded 68% of my hands pre flop and thats not very good as I used to muck 85% of my hands in MTT. Ofcourse I have had loads of bad beats, who hasnt? Poker besides having skills also exists on simple luck and yes it sucks, but if your at the other side and dont tell me you never werent, then ofcourse no complaint… I dont believe this game is rigged and certainly I dont believe the site favours players that buy chips, how ever would I be able to gain so much chips. I am no all in player, I almost never shove my chips pre flop. Only few time i do that as I know even the best starting hand has a big possibility to lose…

Well I can see I won’t change your mind, but you should see you won’t change mine either. You know as well as I do a lot of times if you don’t go allin someone else will. I guess I could fold aces preflop, but that’s not poker. It just feels like people get rewarded for terrible poker play here. This is just an example (had my aces cracked all 3 times today this is one)

Me: AA Villian: Q7

Blinds are I think 50-100 I raise to 600, they call. Flop is 7 5 2 I got the board beat and I want them not to draw out on me so I go allin they call. They river another 7. They played poorly the whole hand and got rewarded for it. A good player should have folded preflop. Trust me I can handle bad beats though I play live all the time and it does happen. But when it feels like it’s more likely to happen than not there’s a problem at least for me. But it’s not that there’s bad players that will suck out on you that’s a given in a game with free poker chips, it’s that the site seems to bail them out for it almost every time. That’s my perception from my experiences and I don’t see any stats or anything changing it. I mean I’m winless today with aces out of 3 times. Yes that’s a small sample size, but there’s a huge sample size of it happening to me period. It feels like to me the creator of the site must be a river rat and has decided to bail out people chasing rivers. At least when they’re up against me.

I used to say these same things about Zynga poker and guess what I turned out to be right they re-did their site and now certified to be fair Everyone there told me I was wrong just like you guys are here. And now that they’ve made the changes when I play there I do feel like it’s fair. That doesn’t mean I win all the time I’m just not guaranteed to lose on the freaking river and lose practically all my allin hands. I wouldn’t even bother coming here but I love multi table tournaments which zynga doesn’t do. But I used to think Zynga was the worst but I think this site is worse. I hope like Zynga this site decides to make changes to where it’s fair for all. People will still buy chips anyway because you can easily lose all your chips at poker even at a fair game.

You’re 100% right there is nothing but bullshxt on this site I will never buy chips There are to many azzhole players on here that go all in with nothing And come out on top

I can see you played your hand on a good way, but as its free chips, loads of players will call your raise. Now the player invaulved played a poor hand, called with a poor hand, hit the flop wit top pair and good kicker so might have thought he was up vs AK AQ or whatever or maybe just didnt give a damn and hoped to get lucky. he did, whats new… I have had loads of times I though calling or raising for example with AQ, giving me top pair on the flop thinking i was best, and KK or AA beat me to it as it should. So I can see why after the first innitial call of your raise , someone thought he was on top flopping that 7. He just sucked out, happens to all of us. I have days it just doent seem to go right and on the other days i have a nice on going streak. Thats just normal. I been a member of several free chips sites and always on every site people question the randomness of the game if they are not on a good run or get sucked out, nothing new there also. My question would still be , for what, what do they gain by letting you suffer… Why you and not me?

Again you’re not doing one thing to change my mind because it repeatedly happened again last night. I don’t really care about bad runs I have 65k chips that is not the issue. I’m about to close my account with 65k chips because I’m convinced this game is bs. If you saw through my eyes how many times I get rivered or beat by opponents who are behind you might think the same way. I can’t answer why me and not you I wonder that myself. But I can only go by my experiences and it’s repeating over and over and over and over. That hand I gave was one example not my only complaint. I feel like I have a disadvantage when I’m supposed to have an advantage. I just played in a live tournament last night and it’s not the same at all as playing here. It’s either bad programming where they favor certain seats (which is bs in itself) or just trying to get people to buy chips. I think you said you play cash and not tournaments so you’re not even playing the same thing as me. Anyway this debate no longer matters to me because I’m closing my account. You go ahead and continue to think the way you do but stop trying to change my mind as if I"m new to poker. I called bs on zynga poker and it turned out I was right they changed their system and are now certified as fair. Now I’m calling bs on replay to change it’s system.

Be careful with what you say

the poker police are watching they don’t like to hear how bad this bs got they think its OK to be railroaded I did play on zynga my self and it was totally bs site A long with other sites. I voiced my opinion on how unfair this site is even had a phone conference with Mr replay Paul about unfair player’s scanners pokerbot and other device And all they did was blow smoke up my backsid Its getting to the point that if I play I play if I don’t oh well And there are a lot of people who feel the same way

I did say I played Multitable till I reached over 3 million and now I play ring games and MTT tournements. I know you think its bs here and I know others think not, for me its always the question, why make such a effort to build in kind of a special seat/player… Btw I just had 4 bad beats in a row on the river, sht happens… Good luck where ever you go then JMathis, was just trying to find out the why, as loads of players told on here that the did buy chips and lost too and other ppl say people who buy chips get favours… This isnt close to real live poker, you know it I know it as only on free poker you get loads of callers when you raise 3 BB;; TC

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AAhahahaaa.The numbers are high! hahahahahahaa…“come back to the real world” you only MOD cause you like to control … Open EYES not mouth!!

End of the Day I couldn’t give a flying F@#K what you think, say, feel about me! You don’t matter.

NO PROFANITY HERE, DONKEYS

That figures that he’s a mod. Sorry I don’t trust your opinion ron. And if you had 4 bad beats in a row and you weren’t biased you might would agree that something is wrong. Instead you choose to keep your head in the sand.

no not him

I am not a Mod and frankly, a row of bad beats happen, seen it on real games also happening as I watch loads of tele broadcasts… Still although I am not a Mod nor do I have any financial interest in this site, Mods are also players, they dont own the site, nor do they program the tables so why cant their opinions be valid? Even when I had several bad beats, I also won a lot of hands after so yeah I lost some chips, but then I won them back so thasts just poker, dont trust me I dont care about that as I know since I played its a fair game for me… …

I also wanna say JMathis, I for sure wouldt trust the opinion of a man that isnt able to be respectfull to people , specialy mods, calling them names and make insulting comments, like Superdooper does. :wink:

The problem, ron, is that you undermine the intelligence of people that do play real poker.

You keep trying to emphasize the difference between play and real poker as if we don’t know the difference.

We get it, it’s play poker, people see more hands because there isn’t really a consequence, which means more bad beats hand over fist than real poker. We get it.

That being said, even on this “not for real” poker site there is a clear pattern in any given tournament that favors one seat over the other.

I’ve been on both ends.

I don’t particularly like either way because it’s not due to my poker skills.

I just use this site as a time waster.

Eyeamdaman, this is not about that, its about the on going quest to say this site is rigged. I know sometimes people get lucky and it seems they got the lucky seat, but thisn doesnt only happen here, it also happens on live poker, thats what I say. I dont see the patern as you say you see it. Again on other sites people complain with the same arguements, even on sites where you can not buy chips, you have to win them. I emphazise that there is no reason why the site builders would develop a game that favours special players:seats, for what reason? I never got a good answer as loads of people that never bought chips, got great results and those ones are often not the play every bloody hand players…

Ye who chases the straight over a flush, will find them riding home on a greyhound bus. The turn might give it, but the river can take it away hence why it’s called a bad beat and/or suckout. (and believe you, me I’ve seen and had so many bad beats in all my days of tourney playing, I’ve lost count…and I’ve played NL/TH’E for the last 20-ish years online and live)