The fairness debate

Suited hands are the bane of pocket pairs, because I have never had a pocket pair that was suited! On the other hand the pocket pairs can make full houses which beat flushes, so that knowledge is a useful weapon.

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OMG!

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I mean, really. It’s gotten out of control. You watch a weak player for several hands, over betting consistently. So, you wait patiently for your opportunity. You go all in with kk vs his call, (???) of 9,2 o/s and he flops a set, or quads, or 5 aces, (it’s replay). Time and time again. Replay, don’t change the format, (ā€œhey guys, we’ve changed the graphics, give us your feedback! We welcome it!ā€) Change the algorithm to stop rewarding, consistently, bingo players and chancers. For the love of God, please.

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Right after they take down this post and/or close the thread, I’m sure they’ll get right on it.

amen to that.

Isn’t that exactly poker? The thrill and the random chance? I’m not a huge fan of those who go all-in, every hand and feel a tiny (tiny) bit of scadenfreude when they’re kicked out with a great hand.
You don’t have to follow their bet, you can sit and wait but, you have to admit that when you go all-in with a rubbish hand (because you’ve backed yourself in to a corner) and the river is kind to you and suddenly you’re back in the game, it’s a rush, isn’t it? It is though, isn’t it? :wink:

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I love this thread because it reminds me of zombies. Just when you think it’s dead, BAM, it jumps back up and tries to eat your brains, Zombies got a raw deal, having to come back and eat brains and all, no doubt about it. Some zombies are fast, some slow, but they all have one thing in common, you never hear them complain.

That’s the main reason I like zombies.

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You live in a dangerous, scary part of the world.

Good luck & always wear a helmet. :slight_smile:

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been card dead for a long time now. can’t even hit a stupid pair, even when I do hit a hand, it gets beat. don’t know what is going on, but something is just off with everything goes on.

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@wildpokerdude

Analysis of poker being rigged is usually interpreted based on limited emotional memory and not based on factual mathematical data. When I fist started playing poker on RP I had a few terrible nights getting beaten by quads a lot. Pretty ridiculous I thought. I questioned whether the site was rigged. From my experience it comes in ebbs & flows, periods of very good luck & very bad luck dispersed with mostly just average luck.

Maybe you need to play higer stakes? You will get less stupid calls & bad beats higher stakes.

I basically only play low stakes Bingo now bc of the lag & micro disconnects with the new tables.

I lost so many hands, great hands like AK etc Vs garbage calls tonight. I wasnt playing terrible but many players were just calling stations playing garbage, so I adjusted my game a little, well a lot TBH.

I played higher stakes and its same thing. I’m just sick and tired of it all. there are a lot of things that goes on leads me to believe that something is not right.

TBH, I’ve had days where I am screaming at the screen about the unfairness of everything Replay. The next day I may be dancing about because I won a huge pot on a bluff or, even, better, with some good cards (rare, I know).

The point is, it is an algorithm and a very good one. These are not real cards, this is not the real world, this is free money, essentially. I find that sometimes, it’s better to fold a pair of aces or kings, especially in a tournament, rather than lose more chips (throwing good money after bad?) as all that really matters is playing well with what you have and making it to a paid place regardless of willy-waving.

If you think that there is some fraudulent behaviour, you’ve got to ask yourself, why would anyone bother? The code would be impossibly difficult to hack and these are FREE CHIPS!

Or maybe you’re saying that there is ā€˜actually’ a ghost in the machine! This would be a matter for Mulder and Scully or Scooby Doo, maybe?

Bon chance…

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I might be the only person to actually collect some data on the pRNG. Over the course of about 6 weeks, I was dealt 1,023 pocket pairs where I saw the flop. I flopped (or would have flopped had I stayed in the hand) 120 sets. This was within 0.02% of the statistical expectation.

1,000 instances is not conclusive, but it’s meaningful.

I was only looking at 1 aspect of the pRNG. Other aspects would be far more difficult to measure, and I do believe that this experiment is representative of the deal algorithm in general.

IIf you have any evidence of an unfair deal, present it. Not, ā€œthis one time, my yadda yadda got rivered by a blah blah blah,ā€ actual evidence with a decent sample size.

I am virtually quivering with anticipation.

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(There are drugs that can calm the quivers. Or so I’ve been told.)

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I just really like for people to see what I go through tourney after tourney, day after day, week after week, month after month. why is it others hit their straight draw, hit their flush draw. hit runner runner for this hand, hit their 1 outer’s 2 outer’s why the heck can’t I? why can’t I play a junk hand and crack AA, but other’s call their junk hand and crack my AA? why is it I’m suited and its always the wrong suit that hits the flop, yet other’s hit their hand when suited? why why why why why why why? if it’s so fair and random, I should be able to do the same as the other’s but no, whatever reason it doesn’t apply to me

It can be a frustrating game, no doubt. I lost a tourney tonight with AA, decent bet pre, overbet the pot on the flop, checked behind when the board paired on the turn, he got there on the river. Bad luck, sure, but that didn’t lose me the tourney. I lost because, like an idiot, I called his river shove with 2 pair on the board. That’s on me, not the system. If I don’t recognize this, there’s no hope of correcting it.

If you are suited pre, it’s not ā€œalwaysā€ the wrong suit, though it might seem that way. People here love to play anything suited. We don’t see all those times they miss, we only see when they don’t. If 5 to the flop and only 2 to showdown, those other guys missed, we just don’t notice it.

Bad beats are more memorable than winning when you expect to win. They stick in yer head when the wins fade away.

I’ve been losing the last few weeks because I’ve been playing poorly… it’s just that simple. If I blamed it on external factors, there would be no hope. I can and will fix my game, but only because I understand that’s the problem.

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sure whatever you say.

@wildpokerdude

I understand some of how you feel but I think you need to go one step further and present an argument for why RP would go to the trouble of rigging the game.

A rigged game must benefit the house in some way. In the case of RP, they can only gain by increasing the number of people who buy chips. On that understanding, we need to specify the player or group of players who are receiving preferential treatment and present a plausible argument as to how these players act to the benefit of RP.

The general argument seems to be that chip buyers are favoured. I don’t understand how RP will increase or even maintain their income if they favour chip buyers. If the chip buyers win they have less or no incentive to make further purchases. Maybe it would work if they win a bit for a couple of days or weeks then have a big loss - just bad luck, go and buy more chips.

That sort of happened to me when I started here. I didn’t buy chips initially. I’d have a few lucky ring game wins with just the free chips and then get wiped out and the pattern seemed to repeat itself. I just started playing only the freeroll and new player MTT and ever so slowly built up a small bankroll.

The funny thing is that the rate of growth of my bankroll seemed to be directly proportionate to my increasing skill level. I was still getting wiped out far too often but I wasn’t losing chips! Freeroll, by definition, is absolutely free to enter - the winnings, which were now an occasional reality, went into my bankroll and there were no costs involved.

As I put more time into increasing my skill, I was able to win and keep my winnings in ring games and so it went on.

Having said all of that, I certainly don’t mind admitting that I have purchased chips! The very specific conditions of buying chips, for me, are when I’ve been drunk the night before and given away a large part of my bankroll. I treat my bankroll as a measure of my ability to play so I don’t and never will buy myself up the ranking ladder - I buy the smallest amount of chips that are required to make up for my own stupidity. My bankroll is an honest measure of what I’ve achieved, from scratch, during sober play.

WPD, I truly wish that chip buyers were favoured! My experience over the last 6 months is that this particular chip buyer is definitely not favoured. In a fit of madness one day, I went all in with TT against a hand that I knew or should have known was AA. I won. Was that favouritism? Not at all! It was just my 20% chance in a fair game coming to be.

The more I learn about randomness and probabilities, the less I perceive the game to be rigged and the more I realise the weaknesses and leaks in my own decisions during play.

Regards,
TA

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@wildpokerdude

I know this is an emotional statement & your partly joking so i’ll take it wi a grain of salt. If your trying to play & hit 1 or 2 outers - which I’m fairly certain your not - consider your skill an understanding is the losing factor. Luck or poker is rigged isnt the issue for losing.

@SunPowerGuru

I know many times after getting unlucky & losing a big pot, I’ll be steaming like Hellmuth after a bad beat. Players calling down with backdoors on the flop etc. Most of the time its in part due to some unorthodox, goofy play I made. Yea the villain played stupidly optimistic with little to nothing on the flop but in part I slow played or bet very small on the flop or turn on a safe board for deception etc.

I do remember very few hands where I was extremely unlucky & played the hand great to lose. That’s pretty tilting but its very rare, and few & far between that Im getting such bad luck I couldn’t possibly call RP poker rigged.

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