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I just wrapped up a game that I won, which was chock full of nice hands. Even nicer, the things that I could not control didn’t bite me, I won most of the big pots, I got very lucky in at least two spots, and I have nothing to complain about in this one. And a few other players at the table had a couple of very nice hands as well!

One of the first hands in the game, I am the BB, holding 94s, and a couple of players limp it to me, I see the flop pair my 4 for a low middle pair. I check, fold to a min-bet, raised 2BB by the button, and feel a bit dumb about it on the Turn when another 4 hits the board. River is a Q, Cutoff lays in a 500 chip bet, button raises it, having waited patiently to hit this low board with AQ. Cutoff calls, and wins the hand with 44488. I feel like Cutoff got good value out of the hand, but might have done even better re-raising on the river. They’re only getting beat by QQ, 88 (both unlikely, given the way this table played out, so they should have been confident enough that they had the nuts that they could 3-bet the river here.) I now of course feel smart for folding 94.

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Some time later, I have K7s in the SB. Not a great hand at all to be playing from early position. The AQ player who lost big on his river Queen shoves about 700 chips in, the Button shoves, which is enough to tell me to fold, which is what I do. The rest of the table folds, and Button shows AK, small-stack has 89o. They both hit a pair, Ace on the flop, 8 on the river, both players missing straights by just one card, the Q. @jokerwithace eliminated, nice hand for @Greywolf24.

Sometime later, I have QJo in middle position, and call a 40->180 raise from the chair to my right. Three see the flop, and I make top pair, QQ. First to act leads out a min-bet, I raise half-pot. The preflop raiser folds, and the flop lead flats. He checks again to me on the Turn, and I bet again and take the hand. Was he on a weak draw or a small pair? +2300 chips to me, a nice score.

A7o, in early-middle position, I fold pre. Board runs out 5Q5QJ, two players in the hand, QT wins it, QQQ55 over ???. I have no idea what the loser of this hand had to call such a big raise on the river with, but it sure wasn’t a Q. Maybe they had the 5? Or AA? They don’t show. +3120 to eventual runner-up @35cent, who played rather well in this game.

The big hand of the game came for me when I had AQo, in late position, and raised 3BB. @kol-klink jams his small-stack all-in from the BB, and is called by @wayne1. I strongly considered folding here, figuring I might be up against AK or AA or QQ, none of which I could beat with AJ. I look at both players’s stacks, and I have them well covered, although if I lose here, I’m really not liking my chances of making it deep into this game, as calling leaves me with just 2000 chips behind. My negative attitude tells me I won’t win the hand if I play, but if I fold I’ll see that I would have won the hand, and these cancel each other out, I make the call. BB shoved 99 and the caller called with J4o. Yes, it’s looking for sure like this will be JJJ by the river, based on the way things have been running for me lately. But no, the flop pairs my Ace and J4’s J, no other Js make it to the show, and 99 misses a straight 5-9 for want of an 8. I have the best hand and take down nearly 3500 chips, putting me in a 3-way dead heat for the table lead. Best of all, two players are busted in this hand, and now we’re 6-up.

As an aside, something funny that I’ve noticed over many months, but especially lately. There’s often a hand where I’ll have some nice cards that I’d like to play, someone shoves, and then a second player shoves, and I fold and watch the board run out to my favor more often than not. It’s virtually always a wise fold though, not a point in the game where you want to risk your tournament life, and not like I’m sitting on AA, but usually it’s something you’d ordinarily feel you could 3! with. But in a fair amount of these, the first caller is calling with absolute junk, which I just don’t understand, and sometimes this even triggers an avalanche of ridiculous calls – I guess on the theory that pot-odds are now good enough to demand calling that wide? Occasionally, it’ll be two big pairs going up against each other, or AK vs a pair, and sometimes I just have QT and know folding is best, but then the board runs out and gives me the only Broadway straight hand. So, not that I’m keeping accurate books tracking this, but it’s like I’m about 50-60%+ to win these multi-way all-in hands that I’m wise to fold, and yet when it comes to heads-up all-in situations, I feel like I’m more like winning in 30-40% of them. I guess maybe because in the heads-up matchups, V is not shoving (or calling) with junk (well except the time they did, and beat my AK with 73… grr) and much of those hands, it’s not surprising whoever wins it, because they were both strong hands.

Anyway, moving on…

A5o, in the Hijack, I think about it but decide against. Button hits a set with pocket 88’s, and BB hits middle pair, 7s, and then improves to 2 pair, 7722 on the Turn, leading to a 1500 chip win for @irishrose820. 88 flats a 150 bet from 72, who barrels again on the turn and river, each time getting called. Since 888 had top set and there were no pairs on this board, I feel they could have raised, but the Turn did bring up a 3rd diamond, and the flop was 678, making 9T or 95 a flopped straight, which maybe explains why they only flatted each street. So, very reasonable, cautious play and a decent payoff for hitting their set. Hand #564025866 · Replay Poker

Sometime after that hand, GQboi22 ended up with a set of 333s, on a 234 flop, and made quads on the Turn, to beat two other players who held A4 (rivering two pair, with the Ace), to double up. Worst river for @roybur who loses a hefty chunk of chips to the underdog stack.
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AJ vs. 73s. 73s flops absolutely nothing, no spades, nothing, but tries to make me fold. No action on the flop, I catch a pair of Jacks on the turn, and @Greywolf24 bets into it. I reason that no one has a Q, or we’d have seen a bet, so I likely have the best pair, and Greywolf’s bet is small so I call. River pairs the board with a Ten, and now I’m beat if he’s got Q or T in his hand, and with TJQ on the board I’m also in trouble if he’s holding K9 or AK, and trying to rep weak to induce me to raise him, or if he just doesn’t think I have much and won’t call bigger. He bets small again, and I call again, and see he’s min-bluffing air at me. Well at least his air inflated the pot a bit, and I take down 2300 chips, calling pretty thin.

Q6o in SB, I fold, flop Q24, trip QQQs on the turn. BB and Button build a pot to 1300, and Button wins, pocket 55s over 43s hitting a pair of 4s on the flop. What could have been. I think about junk hands like Q6o, and see players playing not much better hands like 55 and 43s. I could have limped here, and stayed in with top pair, it would have only cost me 100 chips to speculate on it. Should I make plays like that, when the whole table folds around to the Button and it’s 3-way at most? Or raise, and trust that weaker hands like these would fold most of the time, enough to make such raises profitable? Or is it best to play it safe and just fold them, and not worry about missing opportunities like this? Since I won this game anyway, I can conclude that I didn’t need to win this hand, so I think folding is just fine.

65s on the button, I limp, flop 888. 4 handed, table checks around. A on the turn, a player bets, I fold, another Ace hits the river for a community full house. SB shoves, and is called by both players thinking it’s a guaranteed chop, but nope, they have Q8. Lol. Perfectly played for @roybur, and second quads hand dealt at this table. vnh

KQo in the BB. 3 players behind me limp, and I decide to raise to thin the field. I go to 3BB, player behind me calls, the next player shoves ~1900. Ugh. I call, player behind me calls. This could get ugly. Flop hits me very nicely, 7QK, giving me top two pair. I min-bet, hoping roybur will feel committed and all-in on me anyway, so I can get all his chips, or at least call, but to my surprise he lays it down, leaving me to run the board out with @irishrose820 already all-in. They have 9J, miss a straight for want of a Ten, and pair their 9 on the way out, and I dodge a bullet and take down another huge pot, this time 6500 chips and take the table lead, now up to 11000 chips. My 3rd KO, and it’ now 5-up and I have a little under half the chips at the table, which is a nice place to be.

Suddenly I seem to be getting respect! 44 on the button, I limp to a 4-way flop, J8K, and the table checks around. I min-bet, very much expecting someone to have K, J, or KJ and jam on me, because this is the sort of situation I run into a lot where someone hits in early position and check-raises, and to my surprise everyone folds. I don’t show.

QTo, in the BB. Small stack shoves 900 chips, I decide it’s OK to call, it’s only 3BB, and I have him covered by about 13:1. They flip up pocket TTens, and I get ready to double them up. Board runs me out a broadway straight though, 7KA4J, and I earn my 4th KO of the table so far. It’s starting to feel like the poker gods have decided that I should be the chosen one this time. This takes me up to 1300 chips.

4-handed table now, it’s bubble time. A9o, I raise, only the BB calls, we check to the river, and I edge him out just slightly, A9 over A4, taking 2700 chips. It’s noteworthy that no one tried c-betting or bluffing this hand. I think @Greywolf24 probably didn’t want to get burned again after his failure air-bluffing 73s in the earlier hand above, and I felt like I was perhaps being overly cautious by not betting after 3 streets, but by the time it got to the river and it was evident V wasn’t interested in the pot, I knew betting would only enable him to raise me, which I would then have to fold, or he’d fold and I’d get no additional value for the raise. So didn’t bother risking any more, and it was the right way to play this hand.

Greywolf24 played this table very well, and ended up KOing the bubble boy, @GQboi22, on this hand, A9o vs TT, flopping a pair of Aces, to become my biggest threat with the #2 stack.

Sometime later, Greywolf24 had AA against me, in a very similar hand, and didn’t get much value out of it. He didn’t raise (it would have only folded me pre- if he did, though; I had junk, something like T5o) and I never hit anything on the board on that hand, so never bet anything, and would have folded to any bet, as I didn’t have any draw. So it’s not like he could have gotten any more chips out of me. But I could have seen his lack of betting as weakness and tried to bluff him off the hand. I didn’t need to, though, since I already have the big stack, and it’s not necessary to try to take every pot, even if you can successfully bully a lot of the time. I dodged a bullet there.

A bit after that, I have QJ and flop 9TA, and he shoves on me again. I think hard, his stack is about 5000 chips, and I have him covered, but I don’t want to chase the draw, am not priced with good odds to call for that draw, and decide to lay it down. He claims that he had AAA, but if so I still wouldn’t have been drawing dead to his hand, but I’m glad I decided to not push my luck on this hand.

Finally, I KO @Greywolf24. He had announced that he had to leave and couldn’t stay past the 1-hour break, and had started [shoving]Hand #564031988 · Replay Poker a lot. He had the 2nd stack at this point, and it was near even with mine, so I was playing him cautiously. This time, he shoved 33 when I had 99, and I can call here. Glad I did, I end up hitting another straight, this one 8-J, and KO my 5th opponent. The 33 shove wasn’t unreasonable even for a player trying to exit the game. I would have had a harder time calling if I didn’t know he wanted to go, or if I didn’t have a pair, though.

Heads-up vs. 35cent, he played very well from a small stack, getting up to near-even with me over a series of hands where I was getting dealt mostly rags, when i got 44 dealt to me, and feeling suddenly card dead and like this might be the best hand I’d see for the rest of the game, and certainly the best hand I’d gotten out of the previous 20, I took a deep breath and shoved it. He calls with AQ and misses the board, almost hitting a straight but for lack of the Jack, and I win the game. I definitely got lucky there, a coin flip and he came close to taking it away from me.

Lovely hand. KT flop nut straight, shove turn because I know at least two full houses must be out there, since there’s only two players still left in the hand. I’m not wrong.

No one folds a flush draw. Finally, it pays off for me, but I figured I was shoving into AK or AQ here.

Flopped quad AAAAces. The best possible 4-of-a-kind on the flop, AAAAK, and of course it’s hard to get anyone to call a bet with a board like that, if no one has any Aces, or just one King. I get another min-bet out of it, but that’s it. Fortunately, I’d gotten two calls to a big raise pre-flop, making this pot a decent take for the strength of my hand to be worth it.

AA in a 3-way hand. V1 shoves with AQ, V2 calls with KJ, V3 calls, but then folds when I shove with AA. It’s probably good for me they didn’t stay in, it was not an easy laydown there for them once they called the first two shovers.

I came back from the brink of death to win this SNG. It was a fairly soft table, but a very long bubble.

Start here. There were some pretty good hands earlier, too, but this is where I nearly went out.

Getting it in, four-ways, with aces. Instead of chopping with the other guy who also had aces, losing to the pair of sixes which boated up. No regrets for my play here.

Don’t particularly regret my play here, either. My first hand of a bounty tournament, 4-bet jamming preflop 60 blinds deep with QQ in the cutoff. 77 and 88 call; 77 makes a boat on the river.

GG. Reload.

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Here’s a perfectly played set trapping AK after the flop.

He trapped himself, really. With AK I would prefer to flat call here, and then bet half the pot on the flop, then fold to the check-raise as you could easily be up against 999, JJJ, or AJ, or possibly A9. Anyway if you have AK in a situation like that and you decide to go all the way to the wall with top pair top kicker every time, you are going to lose some big pots.

On the other hand, this is a good bluffing situation if you are up against a player whom you know well, and they know you. It can be gratifying to raise them all in on a total bluff and then show your cards after they fold and you have crippled their stack. They will probably go on tilt and you get the rest of their chips soon after.

But really that is one of the archetypal confrontations in NL Holdem–AK makes top pair, but opponent indicates that they have top pair beaten. Some one is going to get hurt.

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Indeed. I mean, clearly, AK can not not bet this flop heads up facing a check. And he’s good a good amount of the time. Facing a set is the worst case scenario here, pretty much. Only way he could be more behind would be against a set of Aces… But in response to the big raise, it should give you some doubts about playing on with only TPTK.

What I have been seeing a lot of lately is pot-size bets, especially last to act facing no action – and a fair amount of those are likely bluffs. I am also seeing a lot of full pot bets opening a flop. If someone calls from earlier position when it comes back around, it’s a sign of strength. A check raise is a very strong move, and should be respected, but the most common response I see again and again is to jam. No one’s flatting a raise or a 3! In SNG. Maybe it’s because stacks are too short, but it seems like this type of play removes a lot of subtlety from the game. Don’t raise or 3-bet unless you have a hand you’re willing to go all-in with.

I think a lot of this is due to the limited preset buttons in RP and the difficulty in typing in a number quick enough to not get folded out. Also, hardly anyone pays attention to pot odds, etc, so half pot bets do not get a lot of respect early in tournaments, whereas calling a pot sized bet on a draw may end up with the caller crippled if they miss. Sometimes you will see villains missing a draw and then making small timid bets on the river when they have made a small or medium pair, trying to fend off having to call a larger bet.

You will see the same thing on the flop. You are in late position and have nothing. Villain is on a draw, so he leads out with a small defensive bet to make you think he has a bit of something. You then raise him, he calls, and then on the turn he checks to you. Now you can be reasonably sure he is on a draw, if there is a draw on the flop, unless he is a very devious player, so you can check the turn, and when the river misses his draw, you can move in for the kill even if you have nothing.

When the blinds get really high, then you will see a lot of min bets, because even calling a minbet of 1500 or 2000 in a pot of 6000 can cripple a stack and if you make a pot size bet and opponent comes over the top, then it is all or nothing.

So I would say that early in tournaments, when you have an unpaired hand, you want to play smallball, and then if you hit a monster, act real weak and hesitant and slow play it, waiting for the big bluff on the river.

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That is the basic way to win a pot. That is the reason for raising preflop on the button, It makes it look like you have something, and even if the flop comes low and ragged, you might have hit a set or have an overpair, so the player in the blinds cannot call the pot size bet as they may be miles behind, and even if they have a straight or flush draw, the board may pair and give you a boat, for all they know. They are very unlikely to check raise you with nothing unless there is a huge stack size disparity in their favor.

Occasionally I will check raise one of these continuation bets as a bluff and take down a nice pot, but this is not for the faint of heart.

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I use the numerical pad, and its currently a 1 click into that box, then enter amt, and most of the time (enter) does make it work. Untill the new tables are fix’d , its not that easy on those tables and it needs to be.

What I have noticed as you move up in Blinds ( rings ), top players use 1/2 pot and pot alot more just cause when you get to 10-20m chip bets, even I have trouble quickly doing the math and the buttons are alot easier.

Its Pot size’n … in some respects, if most buyin for 125bb, it won’t matter if its 2/4 or 10k/20k, a 5bb raise is just that… or a (1/2) pot bet will be size’d for you kinda. Its hard sometimes to notice you have 1 xtra or 1 too few zeros in your bet when its 8+ figures.

Not only preset buttons for actions, but for pre-actions aswell. Far too often I want to fold before its my turn, but my only option is fold/check. Not only do I want to ““tell”” the table I chose to fold before it was my turn, I don’t want to check even if thats possible.

All-In and Fold should always be valid pre-action options. I was hoping the new HTML5 tables would give us all more options, yet it seems we have less options than we have now. Hopefully that gets iron’d out before they go live. Having the best options for pre-actions and actions will only speed up the game for everyone and add functionality.

Sassy

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Yes, but you have to take your right hand off the mouse, type in the numbers, then hit enter and sometimes the enter will not take unless you minimize the window, then enlarge it again, by which time you may be folded out. Anyway I can guarantee that a large number of players on RP find it difficult to enter the numbers in the very limited time available, so don’t even bother.

All we need is buttons for Min Bet, 1/4 Pot, 1/3 Pot, 1/2 Pot, 2/3 Pot, Pot, and double Pot and we would be good. Or else have an onscreen slider for making preflop bets from 1 to 10 BB.

I have no idea whatsoever how technically difficult it is to implement buttons and sliders. Obviously it is not very easy, or we would have them already.

Software development is not that hard. These are simple user controls that you’re talking about. It is usually the business processes that are the problem, or other work being higher priority.

Mekon,
I drape my left arm across table, below the keyboard, perfect for left handed input without need for enter button since my right hand never leaves the mouse. ( when I used a PC ) Trust me, I’m on your side about preaction and action buttons, and with HTML5 conversion … now is the time for them to easily add a new layout.

Different ranked players, seem to use different methods… slider vs manual vs buttons. Players good @ bet sizing, usually use an amount referenced by what the pot is.

Plus, when players talk about getting like a 3:1 on thier bet… betting pot is a 1:1 unless you hope for 1 caller then thats a 2:1. Lets say you bet 1k into a 2k pot ( 1/2 pot ) and everyone folds, you did get a 2:1 on your bet. It just means someone who uses 1/2 pot/pot might also be doing it cause its a std return on thier bet.
Sassy

now this would been ridiculous had someone had pocket 4’s. two very nh’s, unfortunate I was on wrong side of a boat.

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Bounced off of 22M again today. I won my first SNG, bringing my bankroll north of 22.0M for the first time in about a week, and then played 5-6 more SNG, none of them letting me into the money. I lead in the early going in at least four of them.

To summarize how they all go: I win a big pot with a made hand like an A-high flush, and KO a player or two, then I the table settles down and no one busts for 30-min or so, I bleed down from my early lead to lose a few thousand chips. I play some big cards and nothing hits, I can’t get any bluff through, suddenly everyone’s hitting something but not me. I get screwed in a close hand where we both had something, lost a big chunk of my stack, and now am down in the middle. I get a series of cards I’m ready to die on, go all-in, until someone calls, inevitably nothing hits for me, or V just slams the board for trips or better, and I go from 1st to 5th-and-out in a few hands after 45 minutes of patiently trying to play the game the way it was meant to be played, only screwing it up each and every time.

So I’m down about 600k on the night after initially going up 400k earlire in the morning, so about a net 200k loss on the day, and I’m sore about it. I’m a better player than this, and yet the results are what they are: 40 minutes of dominating a table, followed by a bad beat to take away half of my stack, followed by a quick flame-out.

I decide to switch it up and move over to a middle stakes ring game, find a nearly-full table, at 1k/2k, and sit down at the open seat for min buy-in, 250k.

My first hand, I’m UTG, get dealt K8s, limp, the whole table limps, I miss the flop, BB bets pot, most of the table folds except one guy across the table who calls, UTG fires another pot-sized bet on the Turn, guy across the table decides to let it go.

Second hand, I’m dealt JJ, in the BB. Entire table limps again, I open to 3BB, one person folds, I think, and we’re 8-ways to the flop, which is like AT7 or something like that, fairly dry, but the overcard sucks for me with 7 other V’s at the table surely each of them has at least one Ace in their hand, the 27 Aces in the deck distributed evenly among them all, 3 apiece for flopped Quads. The maniac to my right bets pot and gets a couple of calls, but not me. I give up the hand and now I’m down 10k out of my 250. I forget how the hand runs out, I think the maniac to my right bet big on the Turn and closed the action, no showdown.

It’s only 3 hands, but I’m pretty sure I have a good read on this guy.

Next hand, I get dealt A6o, and I’m in the SB, out of position, and it’s a terrible play, but I’m already tilted from taking an extended beating all night in SNG play, so I play it, limping in after the entire table limps around yet again. I flop top pair, Aces, on an A85 board, two spades. I know I’m probably not good here, so I check, and the entire table checks around. OK. So maybe A6 is good here? Turn card is a 4, and I have an inside draw to a 4-8 Straight, which I’m not even thinking about here, I decide to fire with my A6, and because there’s so many who need to fold for me to win it, I make it a pot-size bet, 14,000. Two players call, and then Mr. Maniac playing on the Button, raises to 84,000.

Now, ordinarily I would give this play credit for having a better hand than I have, and it’s pretty easy to have a better hand than AA6 here. But I’ve seen the previous hands, and I’m tilted, and I’m ready to die, so I say “screw it” and shove, let’s see what he does.

Maniac calls, flips up A3, and is in deep trouble unless he can catch a 3 here. Instead, the river fills my inside draw, 7c, and I make the straight I wasn’t even trying for.

Absolutely godawful play, and I take my first 500k pot ever in ring play, because I hardly ever play ring, and unlock the final achievement left for me to achieve. But hands like this are what you see all the time in ring play, and it’s garbage like this that makes me not want to play it. It’s always maniacs who don’t care about their chips throwing around giant piles of them with terrible hands and no real strategy or guile, giant pots most hands, and the losers just rebuy and go at it again until they’re sick of it or broke. You can hang out for a quick big score, but sometimes you get nothing playable for an hour or more, bleed down, and when your win comes it merely tops you back off to where you were when you started. People hit big hands by accident, like I did, take a huge pot because everyone’s loose as a goose, and feel like they’ve played well.

It’s a good place to call it a night, having partially recouped the losses sustained over an evening of frustration, and I’m almost slightly happy. Despite it being bad manners to “go south” after winning a big pot, it’s close to bedtime and I need to get my head clear before I play again. I fold the next few hands, until the BB comes around, and leave the table, +267500 chips in about 5 min. Back up to 21.7M, which is where I’ve been at since mid-October.

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More or less my experience. I’ll win a big one, stay too long, and end up giving some back. Or I’ll lose a big one and spend the rest of the night exploiting to get back to zero.

I have found that I tend to do better when I play a smart but extremely aggressive game. There’s always that risk of losing the big one when the 20% decides to nail you, sure. However, even at 1K/2K there are plenty of exploitable players to get you back to zero.

I would say 2K/4K is where it starts to change a bit; as you begin seeing sub-200 ranked players much more often. It’s right on the edge of comfort for my bankroll so I try not to play there too often, but it presents its own set of challenges which are different from medium stakes.

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Happens to the best of them too

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glad action got aggressive preflp and deciced to fold KQ. vnhs

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