I think all would be enlightened by posting the questions and answers here.
That’s the job of a Player Representative correct ?
Besides the fact that you started the thread here.
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hi railbird,
as mentioned, i do really understand you don’t want to overcomplicate things in yout thread. i also understand you want to only point out the hands themself. but imagine yourself being a beginning player and don’t know anything about betsizes. just like warlock explained, do you think they gonna make money (even in lowest stakes) if they just limp/check these hands only. or just push them all in immediately no matter what. they won’t make money that way, even while everything you wrote is was the right thing to do. they might even gonna think this just don’t work because they (still) lose chips by playing it.
of course this is your thread and you are free to do as you want, i just want to point you on the results when they think they need to limp/check or shove them all. while these 3 short rules make them profit over it at only the cost of a small mentioning 
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hope this helps
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Greetings my Friend,
I hope I don’t have to qualify this too much…
As a principle of logic for human nature and how the learning process works… In fact this is a long standing principle I’m speaking of that ties in with the recent brain research. I posted the podcast here in the forum, in hopes it may inspire someone with a little hope.
Back to the issue ( I can feel the eyeballs rolling )
If I have a list of 7 or 8 grocery items I need you to pick up, Then, maybe 3 or 4 other stops as well, bakery, dry cleaners, whatever… Now, I read these off to you and stick the lists in MY pocket. Somehow you’re expected to remember these short lists. You or I might come back 4 hours later with liquor on our breath, chips jingling in our pockets, and don’t forget the poker tells that she has learned herself and knows exactly what you’ve been up to… The puppy dog eyes of guilt, that slight hunch over like she’s about to wack you arss. Bad night for poker for sure…
(This is my story and I’ll paint it anyway I like )
If she would have just given you two or three simple things, maybe on the same street. Chances are, you getting away with that “I was confused” story are zero.
So, the sure fired tortoise approach is 100% full proof. I give you one thing to look at, think of, and ask questions about.
You will move forward…
Then, with having a little bit of education,experience and background in teaching. I personally have been successful with this approach. Then if the student excels and needs a faster pace to keep THEIR interest. You turn it up till THEY are satisfied. It’s works 100% of the time when the student is ready. You can virtually turn anyone’s fascinations and desires into passions or even a calling…
So not having any idea where someone is at with their game or knowledge, this is where you can start. Then their questions will fill in some of the blanks as to where they are at.
Besides if they got to the forum somehow they most likely have already started playing Bingo. There’s an old English saying…“So you wanna give’em a teaspoon full at a time or should we just go right to a shovel full” I love all the old sayings like these… Later my Friend 
Rail- Bird meant well and it sounds like wonderful advice to play just the 10 best hands and rack in the chips. Just look at all the people posting here that agrees. The problem is I’m probably the only person here posting that has actually done just that, played the 10 best hands only, on this site for an extended period of time. Fortunately, I came to my senses and changed how I play before I lost all my chips. Maybe I was just really unlucky. You need to try this for yourself for several months on SNG and MTT. I would like to hear your results. I thing you will find it so boring playing ring games this way that you might give up poker for good!
Use to keep detailed statistics on those group one and two hands. Helped my play and gave me confidence in the site. Unfortunately this site does everything possible to do such an analysis of your play.
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I’m always saying this site doesn’t provide the necessary statistics for a proper analysis of one’s play or the effectiveness of the RNG. However, I never show what can be done if given the proper tools. The statistics that follow are actual and mine. I used nothing more fancy than pencil, paper, and a very basic Excel spreadsheet. I must also add that this covered my last 15 months of play on another site.
142,368 ----- hands dealt
033,298 ----- hands played (23.44%)
014,161 ----- hands winning
Winning percentages
Average
42.53% ----- of hand played
09.95% ----- of total hands
win — loss - fold == win/loss % — overall win/loss
0,545 – 0,082 – 0,001 == 869 — 868 — AA
0,561 – 0,147 – 0,014 == 792 — 777 — KK
0,491 – 0,160 – 0,037 == 754 — 714 — QQ
0,360 – 0,111 – 0,155 == 764 — 575 — JJ
0,274 – 0,112 – 0,241 == 710 — 437 — TT
0,207 – 0,064 – 0,180 == 764 — 459 — AK suited
0,513 – 0,166 – 0,604 == 756 — 400 — AK off suit
0,171 – 0,064 – 0,185 == 728 — 407 — AQ suited
0,143 – 0,053 – 0,226 == 730 — 339 — AJ suited
0,160 – 0,049 – 0,211 == 766 — 381 — KQ suited
3,425 – 1,008 – 1,854 == 773 — 545 — total for group one and two
0,628 — AA ----- 00.44% of total hands
0,722 — KK
0,688 — QQ
0,626 — JJ
0,627 — TT
0,451 — AK suited
1,283 — AK off suit
0,420 — AQ suited
0,422 — AJ suited
0,420 — KQ suited
Number of hands played:
14,733 of 22,347 = (65.93%) BB stats:
07,119 of 22,295 = (31.93%) SB stats:
11,446 = (11.71%) other position:
Number of hands won:
6,024 of 11,020 = (54.66%) showdown:
8,137 without:
Pocket pairs: 645 = math - once every 221 hands
AA = once in 227 hands -
KK = once in 198 hands +
QQ = once in 207 hands +
JJ = once in 227 hands -
TT = once in 228 hands -
AA = 628
KK = 722
QQ = 688
JJ = 626
TT = 627
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Great Job on this Cairn ! ! !
The lay out is readable and easy on the eyes. The organization is focused and prioritized visually as well… I’ll be looking forward to some of your future posts Cairn… Thanks
When the other site eliminated all normal time play money games and increased the prices by a factor of 100. I left that site for here. I even intended doing such an analysis of my play here but soon learned that wasn’t possible since the site doesn’t provide the basic information needed. I’ve tried explaining the shortcomings to the site via PM but it’s been ignored.
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ok then, do as you think is best. and add it when/if you want it. or keep it as it is.
either way it’s a big improvement in comparison of playing every hand
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Greetings Yiazmat,
I apologize Yiazmat for not being able to follow the objections clearly and respond effectively to you and the others who are looking for a good place to start learning from. It’s probably old age and the mind slipping a few gears as I’m trying to navigate the steep hills and valleys of this forum in particular…
This may be a good time for me to be quite and listen Yiazmat…It’s the only way this old dog has to keep learning, updating and adding to my savoir-faire of skills.
So I’ll be all ears (eyes) my friend and pay attention to you and the others on how to help someone start their successful journey into this kaleidoscope world of poker… Even at this somewhat late stage and age, I’m still a student of the game and still wanting to learn. The very best things for me to keep learning about are how to effectively communicate with students, if you will. This may prove out to actually be very enlightening to me and the other students.
I only ask that the others approach this sincerely, like you were trying to teach your little niece or nephew behind their parents back, Heartfelt and in an approbative way with both the new players, beginners, as well as each other as posters
.
And for the very, very simple minded like myself… “It’s time to put on your Sunday go’in to the meet’in clothes folks”… Only, it’s a full wardrobe for your words and attitude towards others. 
Rail-Bird
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Yiazmat:
My first suggestion is to check out the internet for Hold’em starting hand rankings. You’ll find that the 169 possible hands are broken down into eight groupings. Group One is the strongest and Group Eight is the weakest. Each group comes with a basic strategy a newbie can use as a guide until they find what hands work best for their style.
I’m not going to list the hands for each grouping but will give you the basic strategy for each group:
Group One — Play from any position and raise.
Group Two ---- Play from any position and when possible, make the first raise
Group Three ---- Pass early on an aggressive table.
Group Four ---- Fold to any raise.
Group Five ---- Fold early or middle, call in late position.
Group Six ---- Call late if no raises.
Group Seven ---- Fold if not in the blind.
Group Eight ---- Play only if you are the big blind, fold otherwise.
Even after three years of playing, I keep a sheet with these groups identified by my computer. It keeps me from doing stupid things - most of the time. As I said, this is a general guide much like the basic strategy for blackjack.
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Poker is so often played with a handful of players, even royal hold 'em has six per table. I think the best way to learn the game is to play one on one. there are two possibilities, you go first or they act first. I would consider acting first on any hand that is better than half. 8 6 is too weak unless suited, and A 7 is enough to call the blind. Playing one on one will develop enough sense, and awaken players to the dilemmas that will arise at a table of 9 people when they are, say 6th to act. Judgement must develop. To try to organize instruction for a newbie at a 9 table event with all range of players present is less likely to succeed.
i agree on the part that playing one on one (HU) make you develop a lot of skills that is important to poker. but i do also think 9h play is important to know well for how/when to tighten up.
but fully agreed that is good too play HU’s from time to time to improve your skills in there too.
in fact HU play allows to raise a lot of hands when IP. first because of the fact that 50% of the time you are already ahead and second, you allow yourself to play IP with bigger pots then your opponent. and even if your opponent does too, you should too because otherwise you play small IP and big pots OOP.
so i agree the 86o is speculative, but A7 is a 100% sure raise, not a limp.
Offered types here SnG basically 2,3,6,9 ppl (a few bigger ones)… 4,6,9 per table MTT…
I tend to disagree about HU, which has a strategy all its own…
Just because its Royal, Omaha, or Hold’em … doesn’t chg the 2,3,4,6,9,ect …
HU might help so when you do get to that point, with more players, you are not overwhelmed once ya get there and bust out…
I disagree. I play HU. It’s a whole different ball game in the sense that you are playing with less cards so what are you learning vs a 6 or 9 table ? HU is a crap shoot.
HU IP OOP What are these.
With one op you can say your stacks are the same, slightly ahead/behind, or way ahead. Going first or last matters in a calculatable manor. With nine at the table, a good hand, small stack, and third of nine to act with one call and one fold already… much more complicated. Also if you don’t have a flush but the flop is all spades with you holding 2 pair, betting against an op having either a flush or one spade to acquire a flush changes when there are 8 others playing. One on one, I would bet my pairs but at a full table I would wait. For a beginner to think about these calculations I feel that one op makes a much easier learning experience.
There are poker classes all over the country and some instructors I know personally.
For beginners there is nothing learned in a 2 person game. That comes later on as a student progresses.
We are all students of poker all our lives…
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AKs a premium starting hand? 6-handed it’s barely better than TT and heads up it’s a dog to 88.
HU: heads up (game with two people)
IP: in position (position where you can act last)
OOP: out of position (position where you have to act first)
AK has many advantages in comparison to lower pairs:
- it is rarely dominated. (the odds to see KK or AA is the same as when holding KK to see AA)
- it’s much easier to play. TT or 88 often gets overcards which makes it much harder to use, while with AK you are good if you hit and it’s easy to fold with too much aggression if you miss.
- it has very good preflop value. even while you have a flip to most pairs, you are only clearly behind KK and AA. since most people like to play hands with an (big) ace in it, you are dominating yourself quite often.
(probably there is more but this should give you a clear idea)
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