57 hands is very very small sample. Getting the same hand 9 times is only slightly odd.
How many times have I been dealt Q6o in the last 4 months? How many times have I been dealt Q6o 3 times in the same orbit? Several - no exaggeration.
Flip a coin 10 times and jot down the results. Do this 100 times and see how many times you get 8 or more of heads or tails within the 10 flips. It’s going to happen a number of times, not just once or twice. This is completely normal for random distributions. Weird stuff once in a while is totally normal. In fact if you don’t see any weird stuff ever it’s not random.
Folks who do not understand randomness and math (or folks who do not want to understand it) will see something weird in one isolated hand (or one small 100 hand session) and yell, “That weird stuff should never happen! This isn’t random!” when in fact it’s totally normal.
Again, get back to us when you’ve played 50k hands and T5 is still coming up 15% of the time over the proper large sample size. Poki did it and proved that it’s not happening, but you won’t listen.
I’ve literally participated in millions of flops online since 1995. My ego is so massive (planetary) that I once held the dummy end of a straight on 4th street. Then instacalled a 400 million plus all in bet with zero chance to improve on the river. Losing to the nut straight.
I did say it may not be perfect. Most, if not all poker sites use the Mersene Twister for RNG. “While suitable for many purposes, the Mersenne Twister is not designed to be cryptographically secure. This means that given enough output from the generator, it’s possible, though potentially difficult, to predict future outputs.”
It isn’t perfect, so they tweak it with algorithms to get it as close to random as possible. This site isn’t the best for randomness, but the occurrence of flushes, straights, full houses and quads here is within the standard deviation for those outcomes.
“57 hands is very very small sample. Getting the same hand 9 times is only slightly odd.”
No it isn’t. There are 1,326 possible opening hand combinations. Getting the same card values regardless of the suit, nine times over 57 hands is 1,342% greater than expected.
Okay you’re right, it’s more than slightly odd, it’s straight up odd, but still doesn’t prove anything because 57 hands is nothing.
The odds of getting dealt AA on any given hand are 1 in 221. If you play 1 hand and get AA you can’t say that it’s not random, even though it’s a “jeez, what are the chances?” moment.
Like I said, get back to us when you play 50k hands, or even 20k hands and track the numbers to see if any hands are coming up significantly more than they should. And like I also said, @Poki65 already did this for any of you who are too lazy) over 70k hands and posted his numbers here and proved that the deals are indeed extremely random.
“Poki did it and proved that it’s not happening, but you won’t listen.”
You’re the one who’s not listening. In my original post I said “After playing 20,000 hands here, I believe the occurrence of flushes, full houses, straights and quads is statistically accurate.”
I doubt any poker site uses Mersenne Twister - there’s been much better alternatives available for decades now. They are also unlikely to tweak a pRNG algorithm - what they do instead is just periodically reseed with an external source of entropy. They’re all going to be as close to truly random as makes no difference.
The odds of getting the same whole cards 9 times out of 57 hands is about 1 in 200,000. So highly unlikely, but nowhere near impossibly unlikely.
2 hands or 5 hands is not a large sample size. You need to crunch thousands of hands. And for the HUNDREDTH TIME, poki65 already did it and posted the numbers and proved that it’s all random. What more do you need to see?
I mean I’ve explained many times, as have others. You clearly can’t be moved, so now I’d like you to just stop diverting the thread with your religious beliefs (since that is effectively what they are)
Can you post the hand numbers please. If you use the dropdown from the dashboard and go to activity you will find all your hands. You can simply screenshot it into your reply.
For the thousandth time, we understand everything that you are saying.
I have, yes. I have taken basic statistics ands probabilities in school. I can also tell by how you talk that you have not, or if you have you didn’t learn any of it.
How am I diverting this thread when I’m responding to the highlighted part of his post?
I’ve tried to always be polite in my posts. Now you’re trying to tell people what they can respond too. You’ve already tried telling people how much they should be buying into games, and which stakes they should be playing.
The problem is that what you think is off about the RNG has been repeatedly shown to be exactly what you should expect, and this is no exception.
Most people will never get dealt the same hand 9 times in a session, but with how many sessions have been played here, it’s definitely something that is going to have happened to some people.
The thing I struggle to understand is that it’s not like you don’t believe the statistics because they don’t match your experience - your experience basically exactly matches what the math says should happen, but you think the odds should be different for some reason. I don’t know where you get that conviction from, but it does seem firmly entrenched, which can make these discussion feel like a pointless distraction.
Also, people seeing different odd or rare things happening does not strengthen the case that there’s something wrong with the RNG - it actually weakens it because that’s what you would expect. If there’s something wrong with the RNG, everyone should be seeing the same things, and that does not appear to be the case.
With a pocket pair, you can expect to make quads in Hold’em about once in every 4,200 hands on average.
I might be wrong about quads. I thought I made five over my 20K hands seen. That was before I checked ‘Best Hands’ in the menu and found that I actually made ten.
Which is 210% higher than expected.
I would have made eleven, but I folded one hand before the river.
One was not listed, because I lost the quads to a straight flush.
