Well its not live play like I learned to play , but all in all it’s a crap shoot , but I haven’t found any other place I would like better. this takes my mine off of this world that has been turned upside down and getting worse every day, at the door of 85 yr’s now and enjoy some of the players more then others , just like real life. tx for being here for us replay. minnie mouse 5
Here’s a computer response to your question:
When the flop is all suited in NLH and the player is facing a 2x bet, it is not possible to provide a definitive answer without additional information. The decision to fold or continue playing depends on several factors, including the player’s position, the size of the pot, the opponent’s tendencies, and the player’s hand strength.
In general, it is advisable to fold if the player has a weak hand and is out of position. However, if the player has a strong hand and is in position, it may be wise to continue playing. It is also important to consider the size of the pot and the opponent’s tendencies. If the pot is small and the opponent is tight, it may be best to fold. Conversely, if the pot is large and the opponent is loose, it may be worth continuing.
It’s worth noting that there are many other factors that can influence this decision, such as stack sizes, table dynamics, and tournament stage. Therefore, it’s always best to consider all available information before making a decision.
Thanks. But my Question was how would you react on here given my additional context to an all-suited Flop.
I’ve conducted an informal survey where I actually did the 2BB or 3BB raise after an all-suited Flop a number of times (because it happens a lot) and almost everyone would fold. Despite the low probability of a Flush compared to the other stronger hands e.g., Top Pair, Two Pair or a Set.
Btw, I like to Bluff.
I suspect it’s because of the high frequency of Flushes on here in other words, most on here realize there’s something wrong with the RNG and fold their hand.
My play isn’t consistent whatsoever so keep that in mind.
The inconsistency part of it, partly is due to trying to appear like I haven’t a clue. lol
The other part of the inconsistency is due to my imperfections.
What was your question?
Oh yeah,
What you’re describing is a high percentage of players perceiving the flop as a bad bet.
They fold instantaneously, most likely without much thought involved, if any.
A knee jerk fold reaction to the all-suited flop.
I would say that the realization of the RNG being flawed on Replay by all Replay players happened
long ago.
Poker is such a repetitive action.
The old timers on here have seen it all numerous times, so when the flop is all suited, resulting in
multiple folds around the table, I would say the thought process stopped.
All the folding players are just waiting for a better spot to get involved in a pot.
Your thought to bluff at this particular moment in time makes one stop and ponder for a moment.
Especially the one holding the potential nut flush!
Most likely, I would be in the knee jerk fold reaction crowd to answer your question.
(This was not a computer-generated answer) lol.
I see you joined in 2020.
I didn’t think or feel this way until the major revision was made in late 2019. It changed from Flash to HTML. I don’t think the RNG algorithm was correctly converted as it was in the Flash coding. And, I’ve repeatedly asked since then that it be reviewed because things didn’t appear right.
Someone posted the pre-2019 algorithm in the Fairness Debate thread supposedly as described by the Replay programmer and it seemed reasonable that it would provide a random shuffle and deal.
I realize the Fairness Debate has been around a long time before 2019 because of Bad Beats etc., but there weren’t as many or as frequently as they are occurring currently. I guess people don’t realize that Bad Beats do occur.
Actually, my very first post in 2020 was regarding my concern that something seemed to have changed with the conversion. See, I don’t think the RNG certification has actually reviewed the shuffle and deal algorithm.
I have no problem with the settlement algorithm because ever since I’ve been here it’s never made an incorrect calculation.
I never noticed the change with the conversion. Maybe, I did! You tell me!
What I did first notice early on being here on Replay (2020), was the reoccurrence of one hand.
Being dealt a 36 and when the flop had a 45 in it, then the turn would always miss
the straight. However, the river always was a 2. This went on for a while!
Then one day it just stopped occurring. In fact, I haven’t witnessed it since!
So, there was an apparent adjustment in the algorithm late 2020?
I hope you all realize that the algorithm changes to the type of game you are playing.
You don’t see anything less then a 10 in royal.
You get what I’m saying ?
I was only referring to NLHE in my concerns and posts.
Why would the poker shuffle and deal algorithm change for the other games besides Royal?
I can see the settlement algorithm changing for the different game types but not the deal algorithm.
Unless you were playing prior to late 2019, I don’t see how you would’ve noticed a change.
I personally think changes, of a algorithm is a great thing. Especially, for anyone that figures out the current algorithm for their advantage. This also makes the site a very realistic poker site. Playing any live poker game, the cards change continuously and with no consistent patterns, from my past experience
“Unless you were playing prior to late 2019, I don’t see how you would’ve noticed a change.”
I assumed there were other revisions after the initial revision.
I started in 2020 here at Replay.
It’s a very interesting topic and a lot happened prior to my arrival.
I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint.
You can search the Fairness Debate thread to find the description of the algorithm being used. The one I saw was originally posted around 2016 and maybe several times in the years after that because several people were asking about it. I doubt it was modified or changed prior to the major revision made in 2019.
One last question if you have time to answer…
What did you notice in more detail that made you think the RNG algorithm was not correctly converted…
The question lingers in my mind so I’d figured I’d ask.
Thanks in advance!
Some great chatter hear – ok - 2-3 yrs in - conclusions - SNITT happens - I have seen many bad river beats - AA going down in flames and the bingo players win - but I also feel - playing in higher $ tourneys or a good league eliminates many of the bingo antics - as well - the amount of hands played in 1 hr here is so much more than live - hence - seeing hits and good hands so often compared to live - plus the fact i believe this is an action site - geared toward excitement - again - hence the river hits the the so called replay set -up - take all this into account and adjust your game to it – Remember - this is basically free - with great support and mostly friendly people - and yes - when playing good players - the mind is in use – What is not to love - if your upset with the bingo - find a good league as I said - there are some out there with the best players on site.
A better player doesn’t mean snitt:
I believe you’re the better player, and calling you with Q9o wasn’t the best play, and yes they sucked out on you, but you going all in with AQo wasn’t wise either.
It’s been awhile like I said, it was from late 2019 but the number of bad beats and unusual hands. I’m not saying bad beats didn’t or never occurred prior but it was the frequency which made me take notice, And, the bad beats weren’t just mine but everyone on a lot of hands which I felt was an increase.
With your stack , I would go all in also. Personally I don’t believe their are any better players in one single hand my friend. One hand can at times give the feeling of being the better player, but may change quickly the next hand played.
Flash and/or HTML is all user interface code and has to be separate from the game logic and the RNG. It’s possible they made changes to the RNG at the same time, but it doesn’t matter because a biased RNG wouldn’t result in the kind of outcomes people are convinced are happening.
For example, the 17% bias given by the computer in a post above comes from a wikipedia example that’s just being used to highlight a potential implementation flaw with the shuffle algorithm. To get such a high bias they assume a RNG that’s only generating numbers between 0-99. If instead you assume a 32 bit RNG (which is probably the bare minimum of what’s being used), then the actual bias drops to 0.000001%.
If you’ve noticed some cards being dealt 0.000001% more often than others, please let me know which ones so I can adjust my strategy accordingly
That doesn’t necessarily mean I dismiss the claims that Replay are juicing the runouts somehow, it just has nothing to do with the RNG. Either Replay are deliberately manipulating the deck or it just seems that way sometimes because of our cognitive biases.
Personally, having played over 100K hands here now, and a similar amount at another site, I don’t see any difference or evidence of manipulation.
@lihiue . That is well thought out response and I have to agree with you. Thank you for taking the time to give some folks some great insight.