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specifically, I’m confused what this rule means or why it is important

@Dorkupine, no there is no disadvantage to playing the occasional Sunday game if you normally can play only Wednesdays. Your Sunday Best 9 average will be hurt if you do not play in at least 9 Sunday games, but as you would not have been competing for the Sunday crown in any case, that doesn’t matter. Your Wednesday Best 9 will not be affected in any way by your Sunday play. And your Best 9 Overall will contribute to your Composite Best 9, so if you do better in one of your Sunday appearances than your 9th best Wednesday game, the Sunday play will help boost your Composite board score.

The system is designed to encourage players to play as often as they can, while still allowing players to miss up to 3 games on each weeknight without it harming their Best 9 Average. Yet, if you play more than 9 games, you can only help your average, so you have incentive to play as many games as you can, and you don’t need to consider sitting out games late in the quarter if you’re sitting on a high average and don’t want to risk hurting it by busting early.

Bottom line, play as often as you can, and play your best each time, and you will do the best that you can in the league, just as it should be.

What Badonkidonk meant by that is that a player who plays in fewer than 9 games on Sunday would have their points averaged as though they played 9 games, once 9 have been entered into the books for the quarter on Sunday.

Basically the way it works is like this: Weeks 1-9, your points are summed and divided by the number of games that have been held so far on that board. If you are absent for one of those 9 games, this means that you effectively get your average calculated as though there’s a zero acting as a placeholder for the game you missed.

Once we hit Week 10, players who have perfect attendance will see their Best 9 scores summed and divided by 9, resulting in a Best 9 Average, while players who have missed a game or two will have the final three games of the quarter to make up for the 0.

So if you can make all 12 games, your average will be boosted because you end up throwing out your bottom 3 games. If you miss a game, it’s one of those bottom 3 results that doesn’t count toward your average. If you miss more than 3 games, this will harm your Best 9 average on that board. But missing a Sunday game will not hurt your average on Wednesday, and vice versa, obviously.

But less obviously, if you are looking at the composite board, the 1/week players will have their Best 9 games come all from their weeknight that they play, while players who play 2/week will have their Best 9 overall calculated to make the Composite board average.

Since this means that 2/week players are effectively able to discard their bottom 15 games from their Composite Best 9 average, this should mean that they’ll have a considerable advantage over a 1/week player when it comes to the Composite board, but a very good 1/week player conceivably could still take a high enough average to contend for the Composite board crown, or advancement through Composite board points if they are in one of the lower tiers.

Since the Composite score is also used for purposes of relegation, there’s no detrimental effect to a normally 1/week player playing an occasional off-night game if they are available to do so.

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If it is not a bother, can 1 of you kind folks apply this new system to a past quarter so we can all see how the results would be affected. It would help us understand it all better as well.
I thank all who are involved in the remodeling, I can see there was a lot of effort put into this…

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We did use previous quarter’s data for testing purposes… I think I still have the draft version of the board with the data still in it. I can copy the tables here and they should display correctly, I’ll try to get to that soon.

The gist of it is that players who benefit most from these changes are very good players who don’t have the best attendance. Players who have great attendance but their average performance was worse fell slightly in their rankings, while players who played at least 9 games on a leaderboard and had a higher average were boosted.

OK, for @JuiceeLoot and anyone else who may be curious, here’s what the standings would have been had we been using the new system in 2019Q4:

Sunday:

Rank Prev Move Player Games Sum9 Avg9
:crown:1 1 0 KirbyMuckIt 11 149,103 16,567
2 2 0 Galak 10 127,800 14,200
3 6 3 Seville 12 127,137 14,126
4 3 -1 JuiceeLoot 12 126,948 14,105
5 5 0 nimwin14 11 126,512 14,057
6 4 -2 BRICK52 12 126,484 14,054
7 8 1 Gotthejack 11 123,674 13,742
8 23 15 elanoftroy 9 117,343 13,038
9 7 -2 TopSet 12 115,232 12,804
10 16 6 puggywug 12 115,108 12,790
11 12 1 flashlight_gt 10 113,702 12,634
12 9 -3 Goldiebear11 12 110,862 12,318
13 10 -3 morgan11 12 109,031 12,115
14 11 -3 horse-man 12 108,377 12,042
15 13 -2 mayo_1506 12 105,993 11,777
16 15 -1 Theweasle 12 105,857 11,762
17 31 14 -BlackWidow- 10 105,823 11,758
18 14 -4 edjer54 11 103,700 11,522
19 20 1 FatnSassy 12 101,114 11,235
20 24 4 midwestjack 9 99,670 11,074
21 19 -2 barredapollo 10 98,981 10,998
22 21 -1 hessman 12 97,048 10,783
23 18 -5 chuckcox 11 97,015 10,779
24 17 -7 MCcats 11 95,404 10,600
25 22 -3 Axiom222 10 90,796 10,088
26 29 3 crosby63 11 86,970 9,663
27 26 -1 Badonkidonk 12 85,699 9,522
28 25 -3 tomkat287 11 83,095 9,233
29 32 3 Reesepiece 6 81,408 9,045
30 27 -3 mikhayla 6 81,266 9,030
31 28 -3 lovelakeliven 10 80,266 8,918
32 30 -2 :innocent:tabarry 8 79,463 8,829
33 42 9 Oltop 3 64,871 7,208
34 33 -1 murrayob 7 59,008 6,556
35 34 -1 crum1850 5 58,091 6,455
36 35 -1 hanky14 5 58,061 6,451
37 36 -1 Dendit 5 49,926 5,547
38 38 0 Justplayin 6 47,448 5,272
39 37 -2 Junkhead68 5 47,073 5,230
40 40 0 Dorkupine 4 36,258 4,029
41 39 -2 NolaBruce 3 29,610 3,290
42 41 -1 re1ayer 2 17,067 1,896
43 43 0 rebelburn 1 8,764 974
44 44 0 whp0854 1 8,103 900

Wednesday:

Rank Prev Move Player Games Sum9 Avg9
:crown:1 3 2 edjer54 12 158,659 17,629
2 1 -1 Goldiebear11 11 136,625 15,181
3 6 3 elanoftroy 11 124,838 13,871
4 17 13 Dorkupine 12 120,760 13,418
5 2 -3 Justplayin 8 120,563 13,396
6 5 -1 horse-man 11 116,799 12,978
7 4 -3 :innocent:tabarry 9 113,874 12,653
8 9 1 Badonkidonk 12 113,030 12,559
9 10 1 hessman 12 111,060 12,340
10 8 -2 mayo_1506 11 110,350 12,261
11 7 -4 Seville 12 109,582 12,176
12 12 0 puggywug 12 108,415 12,046
13 11 -2 FatnSassy 11 106,859 11,873
14 14 0 KirbyMuckIt 12 105,911 11,768
15 16 1 mikhayla 9 105,674 11,742
16 22 6 Theweasle 10 105,486 11,721
17 23 6 crosby63 11 105,119 11,680
18 27 9 flashlight_gt 9 104,644 11,627
19 13 -6 JuiceeLoot 9 102,670 11,408
20 15 -5 whp0854 11 99,902 11,100
21 25 4 GSOPhil 8 98,603 10,956
22 18 -4 lovelakeliven 11 97,666 10,852
23 20 -3 hanky14 11 97,456 10,828
24 19 -5 Gotthejack 11 96,017 10,669
25 21 -4 chuckcox 12 94,585 10,509
26 24 -2 MCcats 11 89,984 9,998
27 26 -1 Axiom222 12 88,607 9,845
28 29 1 nimwin14 7 72,211 8,023
29 28 -1 barredapollo 8 66,893 7,433
30 30 0 BRICK52 8 65,468 7,274
31 31 0 morgan11 8 61,529 6,837
32 34 2 Oltop 4 60,044 6,672
33 32 -1 NolaBruce 5 45,269 5,030
34 33 -1 crum1850 4 44,116 4,902
35 36 1 Junkhead68 5 42,955 4,773
36 35 -1 murrayob 3 33,071 3,675
37 37 0 Reesepiece 2 28,554 3,173
38 38 0 -BlackWidow- 4 24,791 2,755
39 -39 midwestjack 1 14,231 1,581

Composite:

Rank Prev Move Player Games Sum9 Avg9
:crown:1 1 0 edjer54 23 184,003 20,445
2 3 1 KirbyMuckIt 23 181,655 20,184
3 4 1 elanoftroy 20 175,939 19,549
4 2 -2 Goldiebear11 23 173,445 19,272
5 5 0 Seville 24 161,467 17,941
6 11 5 puggywug 24 155,416 17,268
7 6 -1 JuiceeLoot 21 152,947 16,994
8 9 1 flashlight_gt 19 151,535 16,837
9 8 -1 Theweasle 22 150,877 16,764
10 7 -3 horse-man 23 147,361 16,373
11 15 4 Gotthejack 22 145,667 16,185
12 12 0 hessman 24 143,570 15,952
13 13 0 nimwin14 18 143,068 15,896
14 10 -4 mikhayla 15 141,689 15,743
15 14 -1 Justplayin 14 136,568 15,174
16 16 0 BRICK52 20 136,139 15,127
17 18 1 FatnSassy 23 135,778 15,086
18 17 -1 :innocent:tabarry 17 129,791 14,421
19 20 1 Galak 10 127,800 14,200
20 21 1 mayo_1506 23 125,791 13,977
21 41 20 Oltop 7 124,914 13,879
22 19 -3 Dorkupine 16 124,890 13,877
23 22 -1 hanky14 16 122,013 13,557
24 25 1 crosby63 22 121,288 13,476
25 23 -2 Badonkidonk 24 121,215 13,468
26 24 -2 Axiom222 22 117,131 13,015
27 28 1 morgan11 20 115,957 12,884
28 26 -2 MCcats 22 115,943 12,883
29 29 0 TopSet 12 115,232 12,804
30 27 -3 chuckcox 23 115,175 12,797
31 30 -1 barredapollo 18 113,690 12,632
32 34 2 Reesepiece 8 109,962 12,218
33 31 -2 lovelakeliven 21 109,921 12,213
34 36 2 midwestjack 10 107,112 11,901
35 40 5 -BlackWidow- 14 106,207 11,801
36 32 -4 crum1850 9 102,207 11,356
37 33 -4 whp0854 12 101,432 11,270
38 35 -3 GSOPhil 8 98,603 10,956
39 37 -2 murrayob 10 85,875 9,542
40 38 -2 Junkhead68 10 83,455 9,273
41 39 -2 tomkat287 11 83,095 9,233
42 42 0 NolaBruce 8 74,879 8,320
43 43 0 Dendit 5 49,926 5,547
44 44 0 re1ayer 2 17,067 1,896
45 45 0 rebelburn 1 8,764 974

We did not use data from the lower tiers for testing purposes, so I can’t easily provide the what-if for Silver or Bronze.

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REPLY TO JUICEELOOT
Great suggestion and you’re right, “there was a lot of effort put into this” by puggywug. He had to do a lot of testing of several different methods to convince me that an average-points system was better than a total-points system. At the tables sometime, just ask him how many different systems we tested during the past month. We should all thank him, because I can be pretty stubborn when I think that I’m right…even when I’m not!

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See what I mean? LOL

And, for good measure, here’s a comparison table that I worked up, showing the Actual 2019Q4 Composite and the Experimental 2020Q1 Composite leaderboards with 2019Q4 data, side by side, with diffs:

The “diff” number is for the Row in the New Comp column, and if it’s a positive value it means that the new system boosted the player in the final rankings, while a negative number means that they would have ranked lower in 2019Q4 had this system been in effect.

# New Comp PPG # Actual 3Q Comp diff
1 edjer54 20445 1 edjer54 0
2 KirbyMuckIt 20184 2 KirbyMuckIt 0
3 elanoftroy 19549 3 Goldiebear11 4
4 Goldiebear11 19272 4 Seville -1
5 Seville 17941 5 puggywug -1
6 puggywug 17268 6 horse-man -1
7 JuiceeLoot 16994 7 elanoftroy 2
8 flashlight_gt 16837 8 mayo_1506 8
9 Theweasle 16764 9 JuiceeLoot 5
10 horse-man 16373 10 hessman -4
11 Gotthejack 16185 11 Gotthejack 0
12 hessman 15952 12 FatnSassy -2
13 nimwin14 15896 13 Badonkidonk 5
14 mikhayla 15743 14 Theweasle 11
15 Justplayin 15174 15 chuckcox 14
16 BRICK52 15127 16 flashlight_gt 3
17 FatnSassy 15086 17 crosby63 -5
18 :innocent:tabarry 14421 18 nimwin14 5
19 Galak 14200 19 BRICK52 13
20 mayo_1506 13977 20 MCcats -12
21 Oltop 13879 21 Axiom222 12
22 Dorkupine 13877 22 lovelakeliven 4
23 hanky14 13557 23 :innocent:tabarry 5
24 crosby63 13476 24 morgan11 -7
25 Badonkidonk 13468 25 mikhayla -12
26 Axiom222 13015 26 Dorkupine -5
27 morgan11 12884 27 barredapollo -3
28 MCcats 12883 28 hanky14 -8
29 TopSet 12804 29 Justplayin 2
30 chuckcox 12797 30 -BlackWidow- -15
31 barredapollo 12632 31 TopSet -4
32 Reesepiece 12218 32 Galak 4
33 lovelakeliven 12213 33 Oltop -11
34 midwestjack 11901 34 whp0854 1
35 -BlackWidow- 11801 35 midwestjack -5
36 crum1850 11356 36 Reesepiece 1
37 whp0854 11270 37 crum1850 -3
38 GSOPhil 10956 38 GSOPhil 0
39 murrayob 9542 39 tomkat287 1
40 Junkhead68 9273 40 murrayob 1
41 tomkat287 9233 41 Junkhead68 -2
42 NolaBruce 8320 42 NolaBruce 0
43 Dendit 5547 43 Dendit 0
44 re1ayer 1896 44 re1ayer 0
45 rebelburn 974 45 rebelburn 0

As can be seen, many players end up in the same place under both systems. And many others were displaced only by 1-2 places, whether up or down. But there were a few players for whom the new system would have made a considerable difference in their ranking.

The players who moved the most were players who had good averages and played in at least 9 games, but missed too many for their points total to be high in a sum-based ranking, while a few players who had high attendance, but their average PPG was more toward the middle of the pack, slid down a few positions in the rankings.

THANK YOU FOR THE DATA PUGGYWUG
Poker players are numbers freaks, right?
So I want us all to take a little more time to digest all of this data. Therefore, the leaderboards will be posted later on Thursday. Since this was the first tournament of the quarter, everybody should know where they stand anyway. There is an interesting statistic coming from Wednesday’s tournaments though. Guess how many of the Golden Donks tournament top 4 finishers were Silver Donks just 10 days ago. And guess how many of the Silver Donks tournament top 3 finishers were Bronze Donks just 10 days ago.
Tha thar is sum “braying rights” tha is…fer sher!

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I’m real glad you pointed that out. At the final table in the silver league, 4 of 6 were bronze donks last quarter and the final three were bronze donks last quarter. Props to pokerrick, CaptK8 and kev for being the top 3 and pokerrick for his impressive win. Good luck to all Donks for a great quarter.

One thing missed under accomplishments for last quarter was the formation of the Donks Team and participation in the League Challenge. Many different players tried out the format and some dropped out along the way. But we now have a solid, experienced team going forward for 2020: boyd2, ChicagoSerbs, Theweasle, MCcats, 12beat22, diesel313, sugarblossom, Goatsoup and faceblue. We’ll give it our best this quarter! Go Donks!

I might also add as an accomplishment was the development of the Donk avatars we could all unload - and many have. I’m not sure who to thank for that - but it has really made us noticed on the RP site and enhanced our sense of togetherness.

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Good stuff and excellent alteration to the format.
Cheers-
AXIOM222

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REPLY TO MCcats
Team Poker -
Oops. Thank you, MCcats. We overlooked the Donks Team Poker Achievements. You have taken it to a whole new level. Thanks for making it happen. GO DONKS!
Avatar and Crowns -
After spending a few minutes researching our past Forum posts, we have confirmed that our brand Donk avatar idea was actually originally posted by ALCHAP65 in early July, so we claimed it as an accomplishment of the 3rd quarter. The crowns, however were introduced in the 4th quarter. Flashlight_gt has been helping us with them both ever since. BTW any member is entitled to use our brand Donk avatar as their Replay profile photo, but a championship crown is only awarded to the winner of each quarterly Leaderboard. Simply send your avatar request to Badonkidonk to get the link with the instructions of how to download it.

REPLY TO BADONKIDONK
DONK AVATAR
While I may have been the first one to post the idea of BRANDING the Donk League, it was not my idea alone. I have shared in the past, and will share again, here: The idea first came about when several Donk League members were at a table and somebody said it would be neat if we could know who all were part of our League, by some identifying picture or emblem. I know that Flashlight_gt was part of that group. And when i proposed the idea to Badonkidonk, he liked it too. From that point on Flashlight_gt began to develop the avatar that we now use. SO – MANY THANKS TO all those who had input into the idea – AND MANY THANKS TO Flashlight_gt for his development and work on the Avatar that we use today!!!

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REPLY TO ALCHAP65
Thank you for elaborating, ALCHAP65. You are being modest by downplaying the importance of taking action and submitting the idea. If you want, we’ll not mention your name in relation to this excellent league improvement. It’s just that this is a great example of how a simple thought by a Donk or two, can germinate and lead to a message or post and eventually become a great improvement for our leagues.
We want to encourage more ideas to be posted here or submitted by private messages. This league is infinitely better than ever originally conceived and it is because of the creative minds of our members. This is not MY LEAGUE. This is OUR LEAGUE. That’s the reason I most always say “we” or “our” instead of “me” or “my”. So keep the ideas coming. We can always keep the originator of the idea anonymous if so desired.

NEW NOMINEE
Emmerdeur (ranked 396) has been nominated by chuckcox to be the newest member of our Bronze Donks League.
As usual, if an existing member knows of any reason why this nominee should not be inducted into our league, please message me or post here in our Stables. Otherwise, they will be inducted in time to play in our league tournament on January 8, 2020.
If you have a friend who wants to join our league, simply send me their name and we’ll take it from there…
If anyone else is interested in learning more about our league, post here or send a friend request to Badonkidonk.

 Hey Hey all! I want to start off by apologizing for pulling a Houdini for the last couple months. I want to assure you it wasn't apathy, I was dealing with something. However, now that should be relegated to the past so I intend on finishing this quarter the way I started last quarter, terrificly.
 I like the idea that was proposed about having a championship type tourny. However, I don't think it should be every quarter rather once per year. It just seems like, while we do have divisions, we also have a set of winners for each of those. if it was not done every quarter then there would be variances to take into account. People will have moved up or down a level, different players would finish ahead of each other, it would give us a chance to determine an overall winner.
 Of course, I am horrendous at math so its possible I have no idea what I'm talking about :rofl:

PS - I wish everyone (& their families) a Happy & Healthy New Year filled with luck, laughs, and love
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Congratulations to Team Donk on winning their first match! It was a great game all around, lots of fun. Everyone played well. boyd2 and I cheered on our teammates scoring points at the final table: sugarblossom, ChicagoSerbs, 12beat22 and diesel313. If you are interested in team play and can commit to some afternoons we still have room for a few subs. Let me know. GO DONKS!!!