Not all draws are created equal, and some draws are better calls than made hands. The draw they have here is a significantly better call than two pair or a set. I’ll take your word for it that villain would have no idea about that, so I get why you feel they lucked out here - they did if they made the correct play for the wrong reasons - but the call itself is still good.
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Doesn’t tournament actually require a little more caution? I’m not talking about getting nitty, but you need to be a little more sure since your stack is your lifeline. You can’t just rebuy and go after that fish to get your chips back.
I also find it hard to believe that between the experts here (whom I respect a ton) Villain 1 and myself, I’m the ONLY one here who even acknowledges the existence of Villain 2 with 2x Villain 1’s stack calling behind AND had already raised the previous bet. Does this guy not matter AT ALL? Like seriously?
What would be a good call in your opponent’s shoes, in your mind? Let’s make it an exercise: list all the combinations that you think would represent a good, prudent call from Villain’s perspective.
Does going all in with my allowance on Simcity Buildit count as a good poker strategy? Or is that a bad beat?
I think the second villain makes things better for the draw. Their odds of hitting the draw can’t change that much, they’re likely ahead of both players if it does, and any T always gives them the nuts, not matter what either opponent has. It would make calling with bottom two pair much worse, but I don’t think it changes thing much for their exact hand.
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I already said, T9 or 95.
Here is my question for you. What hands would you think that a fish would call with and how wide would you say that makes Villain’s range?
Think about what it would mean for V2 to only continue here with flopped straights. T9 and in particular 95 makes up only a tiny fraction of Villain’s range, and they can’t profitably fold 95% of the hands they reach the flop with just because the other two players seem to like theirs, too.
You seem a little resistant to the lesson here 
so let me be clear:
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there is nothing fishy or bad about calling off in this spot with Jh9h! In fact, the only mistake Jh9h could make on this flop, off these stack sizes, would be to fold at any point in the hand.
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it may help to change your mindset on these kinds of spots. It is frustrating to flop the nuts and lose to a drawing hand, but that doesn’t mean either of you made a mistake. You did well to get the most chips in the middle when you had top of range, and Villain did well to give themselves a chance at a big pot with plenty of equity against even a hand as strong as yours.
It’s also worth noting that you were pretty short here. When you have less than 10bb, you are just going to end up all-in a lot of the time if you see a flop. Sometimes you will be ahead, sometimes you will get sucked out on. Your opponents are incentivized to try to knock you out as that helps them ladder up the prize pool, while losing to you won’t even KO them.
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Regarding the Terrible Call example above.
This a very good post which everyone should be aware of given the circumstances with the flop and raises etc., and how Replay frequently plays out.
Curious if this was your first reaction since you posted a day later.
Again, the entire post is very well thought through. I’m impressed, Kudos.
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You mean … and how ANY poker table frequently plays out.
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Here’s a victory. Not the final hand but was the pivotal moment.
It’s always good to have a strong kicker … or two ; )
Heads-up I was patient and took a large pot or two and took the leaed. Then finished him with a trap
250k 6-max, took home 997k (cha-ching!!)
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And This just happened. As soon as I saw his hand, I knew I was toast. Have a good laugh.
Terrible Runout. That hurt. : (
Here’s a heads-up Winner, not the finisher but the one that crushed him.
And the Finisher. lovely turn helped me out.
I play a patient game in tournaments. While I wait for the right hands in the right positions, I’ve watched donkeys raise with almost anything, fish constantly chase overpairs or two card outs, often grinding my teeth while their stacks rise rapidly. However, I know, that just like when I get out of line, regression to the norm always catches up to them, and they bust out.
In my opinion, it doesn’t matter so much what they have, but rather you recognize them for what they are and judiciously exploit that knowledge. Sure, you’ll fold a few marginal but winning hands and inevitably suffer a run of suckouts when you have the best of it, but in the long run, honing and holding true to your game, whatever that may be, will pay off.
Sooo … you play exploitatively. ; )
I grew up reading Sherlock Holmes, Encyclopedia Brown, the Hardy Boys, and Nancy Drew. Plus, my parents kept telling me to pay attention. Had to pay off in some small way.
Okay, so I watched this and told you I’m patient in tournaments. That doesn’t mean I don’t bet aggressively, however.
First, the cutoff has limped, which is just horrible. You either raise or fold in that position. Calling tells you that 99/100 times he has nothing.
Second, you are the only one who knows your ace has a lousy kicker, suited or not. Rather than a one-bet raise, I would have made pot bet at the minimum, so that the cutoff at least thinks about folding. If he’s the type that wants to be in every pot, I shove. With that lousy kicker, you should be happy with the 150 in the pot and not want to see a flop anyway.
Other than that, it was just the sort of thing that happens in poker. The dirty dog has his day too, All you can do is patch the hole in the back seat of your trousers.
Tournament play in the cutoff, 15k stack, and pocket threes. The button has a larger stack but the blinds are both between three and four grand.
With no action behind me, I raise to three grand, happy to settle for the blinds, The button folds, and both blinds shove. They have AJ and AQ.
Flop is 3-4-8 and I’m giddy. Then the river and turn come 2-5. The Broadway boys have sucked out a wheel and split the pot.
I was still in good shape with just under 12k in chips, but the absurdity of the hand made me laugh.
@napkin_holder wow I missed this one You’re Kidding Me
3-4x + 1bb per limper! Let us never see this preflop minraise again! It’s never good!
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