Today's ridiculous hands

Honestly, some of the worst players in the history of the game were out tonight. Many seemed to have bribed the dealer. People who don’t know what they are doing play bingo and pray for the deck to bail them out. Unfortunate fact of life that they hit 2% hands repeatedly sometimes. Pain in the butt at the moment but I guess it keeps them coming back for more. If they never hit a hand, I guess they’d quit and wouldn’t be here tomorrow.

It does get tiring slowly wearing down someone heads-up only to have them suck-out a few times in a row to win. Nothing you can do when someone is all-in on the flop with nothing but undercards and a backdoor flush, and makes it. In the hand why exactly? UGH!

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Getting anyone on this site to fold any pocket pair is an exercise in frustration. This should be a profitable situation. If you have a small pair and they don’t improve on the flop and there’s overcoats, just let it go. It shouldn’t be a hard decision.

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I had a nice time at this table. Crazy, bad poker, but I won, so that makes it OK.

  1. @klystron open shoves the first hand, with AK, and gets a call from an unfortunately player who had 99. Never lay down a pocket pair, always shove if no one’s betting, but call a shove with any pair, right? Klystron makes a pair of Aces, doubles up, and eliminates the first player.
  1. A couple of hands later, he makes a K-high flush and knocks out a foolish call to a river shove, calling with just 2nd Pair (Queens). @oldgrinder shoulda known better than that! Maybe the Turn King didn’t bother him since @klystron had bet on the flop, and he thought that his Ten kicker plus the straight draw were good enough to call with, but without the straight I think it’s wise to lay down 2nd pair on the river here.
  1. I am dealt AQo in middle position, raise to 4BB, and get three calls, one of them @klystron. I don’t like the flop, 6K6, or the pot-sized bet that comes from the player behind me, @fagenbecker. I fold, another player folds, and @klystron calls, pairs an Ace on the Turn. The river is another King, so there’s two pair on the board, and if @fagenbecker caught any part of this flop he should now have a full house. @klystron ends up taking the hand though, with As7s – he had a flush draw on the flop. No idea what @fagenbecker would have bet pot with, either he was betting air or had a pair of something smaller than Kings, but not big enough to re-raise preflop with. If I’d have stayed in, I would have won the hand, for about 1900 chips, but I don’t regret the fold.
  1. I’m dealt KK in the BB. @tommy_tiger66 raises to 140 in the CO, and is called by @froggybottom. I make a pot-sized raise, to which @tommy_tiger66 shoves in response, and I call. It is not Tommy’s day, as I end up taking the hand KKQQT over QQJJT, knocking him out in the process, and I go up over the 5000 mark in chips, good for the 2nd stack behind @klystron’s 8900.
  1. The very next hand, I’m dealt QQ. @fagenbecker raises to 240 and this time I just see fit to call here. Flop is 992, I make a modest bet at it, am called, and we both check to the river, and I end up prevailing, raking in a smallish 1600 chip pot, dropping @fagenbecker down to a cripple stack of 700 chips. I’m pretty sure I could have gotten him all-in here, if I’d been a little less cautious, and if he’d shove I’d have called fully intending to pay him off to see his 9X or JT or T6 that could have beaten me.
  1. AQo, a pivotal hand at this table, the only hand that I put myself at risk of elimination on. @klystron has shoved a few times now with hands that I’d charitably call questionable, and people have been giving him space, so he’s been pulling in more and more small pots, and I’m expecting him to shove here as well. I raise to 300, he quite predictably shoves at me. I call, hoping he doesn’t have AK, AA or any pocket pair really, and he doesn’t, he just has AJo. I have him completely dominated, we both miss the board, but we both nearly make straights – him needing a Q to fill a 9-K straight, and me needing a J to make Broadway. I pull in 12000 chips for my rather risky maneuver, and now I have the big stack, which I’ll keep for the remainder of the table. @klystron doesn’t change up his tactics, and continues to shove, often taking big pots with what may or may not be big bluffs that most of the table are unwilling to call. He sticks around a while, but mostly oscillates between around 1500 and 3000 chips until he is KO’d by @froggybottom, to finish in 3rd.
  1. One hand that I got beat on. I’m dealt 77, raise to 3BB (900) and have to endure a shove from @klystron, who is holding K8 and about 1100 chips. This time the shove is completely expected, and actually reasonable, and I am only too happy to call. He pairs both the 8 and the K on the way to the river, winning the the hand to double up through me, and gets back up to 3000 chips, when he had been close to out.
  1. Four-up, probably my luckiest hand of the game, the AQ slaughter that gave me the big stack notwithstanding. I’m dealt 99 in the BB, which at this point is 400 chips. @thebluedeuce seated behind me raises to 3BB, 1200 chips. I think about it and call, and immediately I’m happy; I’ve flopped a set of 9s, the board showing 9TK, with two spades. I check to @thebluedeuce, who lets out a half-pot bet, and I raise him, figuring he won’t call here, realizing he’s been trapped. To my surprise, he re-raises me, going all-in. I call, he flips up… QJo. Uh oh. He’s flopped a straight, and my 999 isn’t looking so fine. Amazingly, I suck out with a river King to give me a full house, and it takes me a second to realize I’ve won the hand. 11,300 chips slide over to me, taking me up to over 16500, and @thebluedeuce is knocked out 4th. I was really hoping that @klystron would be the bubble boy in this game, not that he didn’t deserve chips for successfully playing such a high-variability strategy, but that random shoving game is tough to counter against heads-up. Plus, if I lose this hand, I’m suddenly no longer the big stack, and having lost two big hands to the smaller stacks in a row, am suddenly even with the table, and it’s a completely different game at that point, I might not even get past the bubble if I lose this one.
  1. @froggybottom knocks out @klystron. @klystron shoves into a flop that hits @froggybottom for top pair, Kings, and is eliminated on a naked bluff, holding A7o, with no pair, and no real draw. His just desserts.
  1. Heads-up with @froggybottom only lasts 2 hands, the first didn’t get to a flop as @froggybottom folds the button over to me, and then this is the second, and final hand; I win the game on this hand. QQ on the Button, I call the BB to avoid folding him out of the hand, and we see the flop. J8T, not a bad flop for me, but still a little scary to call here, because the possibility is that my opponent could have flopped a straight with these cards, or two pair, pretty easily, and I’m only looking at an overpair plus an inside straight draw. @froggybottom shoves, and I have to call here, there’s no question, and fortunately he’s only playing on T6s, for middle pair, and I end up winning the game QQ88A over TT88A.

This is more or less we all are told it should go. Bingo players bust out when they persist in shoving ridiculous cards, and smart, disciplined play is rewarded in the long term. It only took almost 400 posts in this forum thread to get there.

Maybe a SNG single-table tournament is not long-form enough for +EV play to always matter as much, and it makes sense to be more outcome focused, be willing to take risks in certain situations where the odds aren’t favorable, but your position in the game will be much better if you win, and a loss won’t really matter because either way you’re unlikely to win chips whether you fold and drain out soon, or get beat.

Oh no no my friend, not an underpair, under-cards. As in 2 cards of not the same rank and both below the 3 community cards on the flop. Its bad enough when someone calls to the river with 33 on a AK997 board but calling with no pair and no draw, that’s just “special”

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@puggywug - LOL. Is that a horn on your head or are you just happy to see me?

You are one of the people who make this place worth coming back to.

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Here’s a fun one from the other day…

Wow, that was something.

I just ran a flopped full house into flopped Quads:

D’oh!

Of course in the previous hand, I’d made Quad Tens on the Turn.

But these are at least great hands. Very improbable but in a good way.

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Playing a fun 4-handed Cash Game.

Bluff gets through, I show to tilt him a little bit.

I felt he was getting angry, got pocket Jacks, normal 3-bet, take a look at the rest of the hand (normally I should c-bet flop there around 1/3, but was trying to trap him in some way)…

After this he just kept shoving, and I left the table as he ruined it…

Still won 50k, I was happy.

:joy: bless your heart=you poor child, you really don’t know how stupid you sound.

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Really enjoy your input and the effort put forth explaining your hands and games. Much better actually than reviewing my own ( quite painful most of the time ). Anyway it seems to be paying off, played quite a few today and think it might be time to up stakes a notch. Improvement comes from eliminating the really bad beats, keeping in my range and most importantly only playing out of position with monsters. I have moved up from <5K buy-in to 10-20K and I have made 7 of 10 final tables and more than doubled my bank. I find the play more comfortable and pretty much breezed through. I think even with the minimum amount of skill I have moving up in stakes diminishes the luck factor and brain dead suckouts. Let me know your thoughts along with your own experience what changes you made to start winning more chips in the shortest amount of time. Thanks again for the effort you put forth on the forum.

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I went through a few evolutionary stages in my play. I’ve been playing daily since last August, so coming up on nearly a year.

When I first started playing, mostly I was playing a limp strategy, and my range was basically any Ace, any King, and any Broadway cards, plus suited connectors and gappers. I’d try to see a lot of cheap glops, get out quick if I missed, and apart from flushes didn’t play draws. I did well if I flopped top pair, didn’t care what kicker I hit it with, wasn’t aware of position, and would make a pot size bet if I hit top pair on every street until I won. I’d also fold when I could tell I was beat, mostly situations where I didn’t have top pair, or when I did but the board was flush against me, or there was a pair on the board for someone else to make trips with.

Lol, I did actually win sometimes with this approach, but I would typically finish ITM 1-2 games/night, playing about 6 on average. I’d like to play until I won chips in at least one game, and if I moneyed in my first, I’d play again until I lost one.

Back then I had a hard time seeing potential straights on a board unless they were obvious.

For the first few months I didn’t chat, didn’t show my hand if I won by folding, ever, and wasn’t aware of the forums. I learned by taking a game I had done well in, and replaying hands to analyze my thinking catch holes in my game, opportunities to win bigger pots, etc.

Early on, I would just throw chips in at any time I hit, and would lose value in early position because I signaled to the table that I had a strong hand, and they’d fold, and I would win, but a small pot. I’d especially lose value on draws. One of the first things I learned about the slow play, and then the check-raise.

I’d see I was getting beat a lot by straights, because I never saw them coming, and figured out how to see possible straights on the board, and also started playing for straights sometimes, open ended draws and flopped straights. I strangely found that I seemed to lose more with Two Pair hands than I did with Pairs, and I figured out why that was, and how to recognize a good two pair situation vs a bad one.

After a time I came to the forums and asked questions when I couldn’t figure out for myself why I was getting beat, or when I just wanted opinions. I learned a lot, was willing to try different things, and kept what worked for me.

I can’t give away too much, but eventually I learned that I should open up and raise my good hands, not play marginal and junk hands, and how to bet for value to maximize my pots when I’d win them, avoid playing on tilt and trying to play through cold streaks, and that for most advice there are situations when it’s ok to go against them.

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Yes, a few times recently I have flopped a set and slow-played against an aggressive opponent and then made a full house on the river, which also gave opponent a straight or flush. Needless to say, for this is RP, he has thrown in all his chips and let me take my fill. This is a very powerful move if you can bring it off and double up as it will put you among the tournament leaders. It works better in the early rounds, because once the blinds are high, playing draws can be too expensive, and it is better to play as you did and try to force opponent to surrender on the flop. In this context I find JJ can be a great hand to make a set with, because if you make your set and there are other high cards on the flop, your opponent with hands like KT or KQ who makes two pairs and a straight draw will be in great jeopardy, and AK, AA, and KK are probably toast too.

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This one isn’t really ridiculous, it just sucks.

In a bit of a desperate situation with the small stack and the blinds rising, I get KK, raise, get called, flop AKT, check, villain bets, I shove, they call, they flip up AQ, Turn a Jack for Broadway, and I’m out 4th. Couldn’t the board have at least paired?

Fairly ridiculous…

https://www.replaypoker.com/hand/replay/510115390

Bluff there could have worked. You won with two pair, on a board with straight potential.

It almost did work. There was just too much in the pot to fold.

I went on to win the tournament, so it was an important moment. In every tournament, there is a make or break moment, sometimes more than one. It’s possible to make a lot of mistakes and survive, but you better make the right decision at one of these clutch moments. Such is the nature of tournament poker.

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The SNG is a decent game…its far better than playing the 50k or 20k tourney…the 25k SNG can be hilarious at times as it invites mostly players ranked above 10k…so you will see a lot a raises and all in calls on total garbage and its a 100% call for all your chips for a chase for an open ended or flush even if only the river to go…
the 100k SNG is really a good game apart from sometimes like today…i won one and the very next one i played after a few hours my 2nd hand was a KK and i went all in preflop…and i got a call from a player ranked 1500 with 72 diamonds and ofcourse he hit the flush…thats coming to the point of saying once again that how does a player ranked 1500 go all in with 72,2nd hand of the game…this is the sites algorithm it just helps idiotic hands going all in …so often when one has KK and you get an all in call one thinks here we go…im up against AA or AK…but 72?..its a joke…

Dude, he was SUITED !!!

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