I have played against that player a number of times (I think your spelling of the name is incorrect). She (he?) is a bit timid and usually folds to semibluffs unless she has a hand. She rarely calls raises casually. She will limp into pots with QQ and sandbag you if she hits her set.
I bluff a lot, but you have to pick your spot and accept that not every bluff will win the hand.But when I raise from under the gun with 6 8 off, bluff the flop, get called, and then lose the showdown at the river, it is great for my table image, because it protects my good hands.
I had 6 5 off suit, no hearts. The question is: is opponent checking because fearful of the flop, or is he check-raising. The odds favor the former. With a confident lead out bet, we can find out if he wants to put his entire stack on the line on this hand.
Hit trip 9s, and call some little bets. You figure someone’s betting light on a pair of Jacks, and you can take them. Then a third Jack hits the river, and you know that someone with a Jack is now sitting on an inverted full house, and you’re looking at the wrong end of 9s full of Jacks, while they have Jacks full of 9s.
You decide to pay them off, because if this is how the table is going to be, you might as well get rid of all your chips. They bet 800, you give them the 800 and shove every hand until someone calls you and takes the remaining 1400 away from you. You’re so sick of every river bad that you just start welcoming them, going with them, pretending that you’re the other player, giving them all your chips because that’s what you would want, living vicariously through their hand.
I didn’t realize today was National State The Obvious Day.
I’m not sure how time behaves on your home-world but here on earth, we experience time in a linear fashion. Solid hands by position tend to perform better than garbage hands do and mistakes earlier in hands tend to get magnified street by street. Play from solid foundations and use skill to maneuver, not rely on luck to bail out total garbage.
Results don’t matter all that much if the play was the correct one at the time, or at least made for reasons that are sound. So many of the hands (winning and losing) posted in the Forum are pure spew, because the reasons given for them are at best wishful. “I did X because of Y” only flies when X and Y have some relation to each other, not because someone tries to justify the decision by looking backwards or at results.
UGH!!! Tonight’s 15K MTT was so unbelievably horrible that its hard to describe. This is just one example of people drawing to 3 outs (excluding the flush T): 506708674
Had people calling 3 way shoves with 55 and hitting a set - with 25BB left and last to act. All sorts of crazy garbage hands limping in and flatting any raise. It was a pure and complete luckbox-fest. Every time I built a stack, I’d be sucked out on by just awful play. Wouldn’t matter to me if I won this one because there were very few players even attempting to play poker. SMH
I had KK >> chopped vs. another KK.
K-high flush >> beat by JJ, after a 3rd 3 hits the board on the m-fing river.
Beat 44 with AQ hitting an Ace on the board. Finally a non-pair broadway hand actually hit for me when I was all-in.
Went out 4th on QQ vs AA.
No awful plays beating me, just a dealer that has it in for me, giving me really good hands that I still can’t win with.
Feel better - the garbage calls are obscene: hand/replay/506748037
People can claim it plays like actual poker all they want but it just isn’t. If this place plays like any cash game anyone has ever seen, please tell me where and when the next game is.
Yes, of course they do, but there are huge differences between ring game play and tournament play, chiefly that in tournament play you do not win any chips at until 75% or more of the players have been eliminated.
And then there are considerations like which hands play better in multiway pots, which hands play better in certain positions, and so on.
There are certain things that are obvious, such as it is better to get the top end of a straight to the bottom end, and it is better to get the nut flush (one in which you hold the highest extant card of the suit that is not among the community cards.
But in tournaments probabilities are screwed by the factor of implied odds. If you are the large stack, you may decide to pay over the odds for the chance to hit a nut flush or straight if an opponent is pot committed, because they may throw away extra chips on the river.when they are beaten. If you are the small stack and a blind increase is imminent, you may decide to go all in on that draw so that you are in a double or quits situation.
Ideally in multiway pots, you would put yourself in the position of each of the opponents, and consider what you might do in their place, but of course there is not enough time for this level of thinking, and you have to approximate most of the time.
Middle Ace against Middle Ace. I’m out-kicked, and not really sure where I’m at on this hand, but I raised the flop, folded the rest of the table, and got the initial better to call. I am cautious to the end.
I hit a flush; he hits a full house. At least I didn’t lose much on the hand.
Then after chasing two flushes and losing about a thousand chips when they don’t hit, I actually hit a flush, and my opponent folds to no pressure whatsoever, and I take in a paltry 320 chips.
I raised, get re-raised, bow out. Raiser KK sees a solid hearts flop, with no Kh, bad flop for them. They check to the Turn, a 3 comes for the winner of the hand, who is playing 5-3. They go all-in, and river the 5.
So, I’m guessing today is National Opposite Day. Your people have such a wonderfully whimsical calendar.
This is exactly right, except the opposite of that (especially in the tournaments here). Implied odds are most significant when stacks are deeper, not shallower. Implied odds in a 100BB+ effective cash game are far more significant than they are in a turbo MTT with stacks typically under 35BB effective.
The power of small pocket pairs and suited connectors/gappers comes from their ability to pay you off in a big way when you make your hand. With pocket pairs and set mining, you will hit your set about 1 in 7.5 times. You need to be able to make up for all the times you don’t make your set with the times you do. You also need to factor in a nice sized margin for the times you make your set and still lose your stack. So you need quite a bit more than 7.5:1 implied odds to make set mining profitable. 10:1 is a more comfortable requirement to be profitable.
So, say you are playing a tournament and effective stacks are 30BB. Player 1 opens to 2.5BB, Player 2 3-bets to 6.5BB and you are in the SB with pocket 3’s. Do you have the odds to flat call? No you don’t. If you call and player 1 folds, you only have a maximum of 4.6x to gain, which is far below the absolute minimum of 7.5x needed. If you flat and Player 1 4-bet shoves, no matter what player 2 does, you are folding and losing that 6BB call you made. If you call and player 1 just calls, you have just enough odds to make the call work if you stack both opponents and never lose if you actually hit your set. This happens so infrequently as to not weigh too much in the calculations.
There are lots of factors at play in tournaments but increased significance of implied odds in turbo games isn’t one of them. This is the reason I will 3-bet more than flat with stacks under 35BB. I want to make it unprofitable for small pocket pairs and many suited connectors to enter the pot by flatting. If they enter the pot anyway, despite not having the correct odds, they have made a hugely EV- play and I profit from it in the long run (so does the rest of the table).
i decided to play the 50k tourney today as pretty much out of the tourney circuit…truly a huge mistake…
guy goes all in with 1000 chips with a4 against my aq and hits a 4 card flush…
very next hand i had pocket 10s and there was a preflop raise…and flop is 226 and im all in and ofcourse one talented player had called with 28…
then im left with 360 chips and decide to go all in…flop was good A103 rainbow…then turn 10 river 3 and this other talented player had called my raise with 36…
so sick of this circus i dont even know why i even wasted my 50k chips playing these clowns…i dont know what they think when they bet really it just beats me…
So i started playing the SNG’s last week did decently well with few 1st and 2nd place finishes and there i always see one low ranked player coming in and calling every single hand …im like good lord what is this guy doing here in the 100k buy in…i saw few of them and noticed they had less than 10k chips in thier bank all of them…
ive played a lot of poker in my life but ive never seen such sick cards being dealt…i dont know how it works…is a donk support system for them to win with garbage every single tourney not one but atleast 10 hands??? im not against someone playing to win and playing it right,problem is there is no right here…right is call any crap hand and hope to hit…how do explain a 36 and 28 call?? i mean what does it take for the dealer to deal -what should i say fair cards?? im probably not explaining myself clearly here can someone explain these calls vis a vis to a dealer time and again and again and again constantly feed them cards how is it possible every tourney it happens…
15kk MMT is not a tourney…its a bingo feast…most players play this tourney for “have to call every hand as im sitting here and thats what ive come for,not to fold”…and the moment you raise thier adrenaline goes up…as its time to donk the player out with the garbage hes holding…There are no pot calculations,BB checks or percentages involved here…just bet close eyes and open and see if you have rivered it!!!
one outer on river is all they need to dump all thier chips…somehow, somewhere over the rainbow they get paid…hence they are back next day…
To post a direct link to a hand, find the hand in your list of hands played and play it. Right click the address at the top of the window, then copy with the mouse. Then right click into your text and select paste. That should do it.
Exactly right. For some reason my ability to post links is considered to be a threat to national security or something. Its annoying as hell and no idea why I can’t.
Solid hands by position tend to perform better than garbage hands do and mistakes earlier in hands tend to get magnified street by street. Play from solid foundations and use skill to maneuver, not rely on luck to bail out total garbage.