Today's ridiculous hands

[Fozman]

@Sassy_Sarah

To get the desired result of a preflop raise around here, it seems rather than the normal 3.5-5x raise, it takes twice that so 6-10x. Considering into this, that each call will increase the chance of price’n in ppl yet to act… when someone “pot-builds” or min raises the blinds, everyone who will limp usually will pay this (wont fold) and anyone trying to raise now has to, dbbl usually, thier bet to compensate for more ppl being “priced in” to call a smaller raise due to pot size.

@Sassy_Sarah

but as each person limps in they price in more limpers and anyone minraising the limp, just prices everyone in more… thus now to get folds you’re look’n @ more of 7-10bb , which as u said can induce shoves. It seems in NL preflop holdem, the minraise, its almost a “jamm” against future raisers and “potbuilds” at the same time.

@MekonKing

I think it is very important to look at raise sizes. In RP games large raises often don’t succeed in pushing players out, it just enrages them and they start shoving en masse like lemmings.

@dayman

I always start with 3.5x + 1 for every limper. If I’m on a call happy table though where we’re going 5-7 to the flop I will increase up to 10-12 x opening no problem to get that down to HU or 3 way. If 10-12 is not enough to decrease the callers then your only option really is to tighten up to a more linear range and just value them to death while also over limping spec hands like small to mid pp’s and sc’s and own them when you flop big.

@puggywug

I think many players here are at a skill level where they don’t know how to handle difficult decisions post-flop

…or pre-flop for that matter, @puggywug.

So… lots of quotes here from people all noticing the same thing… people going full r-tard if you actually play aggressive poker. I remember in a low stakes ring game, I was raising 25BB pre-flop at one point and still getting 5 or 6 callers. Once I got called a bingo player, I confronted them, then picked up my winnings and left.

After slamming my head against the wall like this for a while, changing stakes often, I switched over to 4-max & 6-max ring games per the suggestion of @Comicguy. I have to say, the level of play at those tables is substantially better than a typical full ring. Still not enough to be “good”, mind you, but infinitely more predictable and easier to make some profit. (With less wait time between hands!)

==insert witty segue==

@ValueFish

play some 200k buy-in cash game

@puggywug

74 could have had a straight but you can’t ever play 74.

I recommend this as well, Pug. Play a 4-max ring game at 200/400 or thereabouts for a while. You can totally play 74s on the button if everyone is weak. If you’re having a bad night on the tournament circuit, join a ring game and play a smart (but loose) 30-35% range pre-flop. It’s fun and it moves quickly.