The fairness debate

Well today I lost with Aces over Jacks as river put out last Jack and 4 Aces as river put out straight flush.Just like happens on any real tables I don’t think.Both those hands I was all in so the player with 3 J’s was betting on a dream as was the str8 flush.Real poker,I don’t think so.Just sort of fixed to get people to buy chips.

Yes, and it just isn’t fair…

Being an avid poker player, I understand that SOMETIMES bad beats happen. But when I see a string of 100% bad beats (not all of them against me) and ZERO times when a good hand holds up, then I suspect the game is rigged (or hacked). You are training bad players to continue their bad habits.

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I give it 24 hours , till topic rolled into fairness debate.
It can be all traced back to the method they use to “shuffle” …I use that term loosely.
but no, its not “fixed”

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@Sassy_Sarah You beat me to that exact answer lol

some chase

Enjoy

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3…would be happy with 3… people here are talking 20 or 30 suck outs at table per hour…then theres the magic time when u cant be beat for about an hour but for whatever reason your playin the same way as you usually do…to many river suck outs to many big hands but i guess its random because that flush that happens about every 3 to 5 hands is at least a different suit.

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The number of rivers happening on hands. I have played a lot these last few days and have seen more hands winning off the river then ever before.

Seems to go in streaks, but I haven’t seen a river beat yet today.

http://www.suntzupoker.com/poker-odds.aspx

That link proves that I am correct.

It doesn’t show the probabilities of there being 3 connected cards, 3 of the same suit, or a paired board by the river, but there is a 33.3% chance a flopped set turns into a full house, a 34.5% chance a flopped flush draw turns into a flush, and a 31.3% chance an open-ender turns into a straight by the river. Therefore, there will be full houses, flushes, and straights on many many many many boards, especially with all of the players who like to play trash hands and call too much.

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yes maybe there are more big hands because of the number of callers. but, in alot of the cases people are say its same person at the table that is continually hitting the big hands…and that it usually happens at the river.that doesn’t seem statisticly correct…not in the amounts seen here, or at least not to me any way…

What you can see, as a player, is statistically insignificant…

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I have been playing poker on this site for quite a while and had many a pleasant hour losing my imaginary chips.
I have read posts from players who claim the game is rigged and dismissed their comments as what every loser says.
However it has come to a stage when I am forced to agree with them to the extent that I am considering not playing any more.
In a recent game one player went all in. Not very unusual but he won the pot - with a 2-7 off-suit. ALL-IN with a 2-7 off suit???
But in the flop was another 2 and a pair of 7’s and he had a full house. Very suspicious to say the least.
This is but one of many occasions when a player [usually with a massive pile of chips in front of him] has won with a very unlikely hand.
So enough is enough. I don’t mind losing, FAIRLY, but I refuse to waste my time when the table is tilted in favour of one player.
Any other players had similar experiences?

Similar experiences, yes. Bad players going all in with cards very unlikely to win (like 2-7) and hitting a full house or similar, beating others who call with cards that are much more likely to win (like A-A), yes it happens all the time. But I’m pretty sure it has nothing to do with the game being rigged. It’s just bad players getting lucky hits.

I look at it this way: if someone wants to bingo and go all in with 2-7 off-suit, it’s their choice to do so, nothing to do with the software. If someone decides to call the bet because they have K-K, it’s their choice as well, they could call or fold, and they decide to call, nothing to do with the software. The cards that come on board are most likely random, and if in favor of the 2-7, of course the player with K-K will get frustrated. It’s very annoying to see someone playing so bad as to go all in with 2-7 off-suit and still win. But it doesn’t mean that the site favors bad players at all. :slight_smile:

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Yesterday I was playing a casual heads up game against a friend, live. We got it in my K9 versus his A6. I flopped kings full. That’s just how it goes sometimes!

At least with real cards you know there is no cheating [unless he is a conjuror]
What I don’t like is the regularity of fluke hands especially for new players rated over 1,000,000.
Once is lucky, twice is really lucky but third forth and fifth starts to look FISHY

:slight_smile:

Frank,
Lets take the player that has 2.1m in bankroll, thats gonna put them about 2500ish in rank… they buyin on “hagga sophia” 20k/40k blinds, min buyin 2m, they use thier whole bank… what I call “floating” …

Now the rank refreshes more often than once a day, so while they are on the table thier rank goes from 2500 to over 1000000, because thier bankroll currently is at 0. You join the table, you look @ thier rank and think… ohh this person is brand new or a low level player…

You would be wrong, they are still that 2500ish ranked player, just that all thier Bankroll is currently on a table…

Online Poker, and for sure free chip poker, has built in landmines… live poker doesn’t… I sat @ a table yesterday (ring) and all 9 ppl were playing semi-tight… guess how many of these bad beat hands I saw… about the same as I would live… for 1 reason, the players weren’t just call’n with any 2 cards…

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