The fairness debate

I only bang my head so much - I know you are committed to your position and I’m more than happy to leave it that way.

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might as well, because no matter what I bet they will call and hit. and I have bet big

just like you are committed to yours.

So we’re both happy!! Détente!!

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Well, I’m not that happy. Just sayin’.

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It doesn’t matter if someone checks or bets actually. We’re talking about what cards are going to come out. You always try to put the blame on the player no matter what but you can’t explain why there’s so many flushes and rivers, you flop two pair you usually end up losing, I could go on and on. It’s not a matter of how you bet it’s a matter of what card Replay puts out over and over. But keep putting the blame on the player when it’s your algorhythm that’s completely broken and that is the point.

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People don’t river flushes on me more often than expected. If they do, they pay more than it’s worth to see the river, so I don’t care. I profit in the long run either way.

i don’t usually lose when I flop 2 pair either, but i usually won’t give them a free card that can kill me.

I am one of the few people who actually spent weeks collecting data to see for myself if the deal is fair. I wanted to see how often i would flop a set when dealt a pocket pair, and after collecting 1,024 instances, the result was within 0.02% of expectation.

Otheres have collected data on different aspects of the game, and all of them found the same thing… it’s a fair shuffle and deal.

In 7 years, not 1 person has offered data that shows an irregularity, not one. It’s all like, “Every time I flop 2 pair, i lose.” Which isn’t really data, it’s a feeling. It’s a suspicion. It’s an unfounded allegation, and it’s never supported by actual data… never.

Collect the data, present it, and if it’s a large enough sample and shows some irregularity, I will change my opinion in a heartbeat.

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If you’re unhappy just move along then with the rest of the unhappy camper crew….

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here you go. I found a had betting like I should. now spin it how you want to fit your excuses. maybe should had gone all in on the flop, but I know they would had called and river would had been same

I don’t feel the need to spin anything. Your opponents didn’t have the right odds to chase and they chased anyway. It happens. Note that your other opponent didn’t catch a river win.

Play your hand like that and you will come out ahead in the long run.

If you check there because, “this one time, my yadda yadda got rivered by a blah blah,” then you will lose in the long run. It’s not that complicated.

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I play my hands like that a lot and they hit every time.

“Every time” is a lot. In fact, it’s an unbelievable amount.

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I know it is. why I just check because they just gonna call anyway and hit. when they bet its a simple fold cause I know they just hit

What I saw was a guy going “all in” holding a very weak flush. Just my opinion.

Not saying that it was a horrible move - but honestly, pretty risky. 3 diamonds on the board, the other guy might already have you beat with a better flush - or, as in this case, he’s taking a shot (at 25 percent to get a diamond, not a ridiculous risk when the “money” is free, is it? He’s going to hit 1 out of four times fer cripes sake.) and he hit it. Would he have folded if the money was real? I’m betting he probably would have. I probably would have.

But the money isn’t real.

And I think that might be the larger problem for a lot of people here.

The normal (real money) rules do not apply. I try to play like mine is real - but I play fully aware that countless others don’t - and that makes them dangerous and i play accordingly.

But all in on that board completing a weak flush on a play money site? Gutsy move - could have made him fold, but that’s the way it is when the money ain’t real - people will chase all day long.

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I would had folded on flop. if I had his hand, that 8 diamond does not hit or any other diamond.

it don’t matter how weak or strong the flush is. they’ll have the one card higher than mine. I could have the QK diamonds. player will chase to river holding the A diamond and river would be the 4 diamond

All I can say is that my experience on this site has been different. Yeah, I’ve had days where I took bad beat after bad beat, and have also had things go my way against all odds.

All I’m saying is that, for me, these rare events are rare.

Maybe your experience has been different.

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all I know is its frustrating to no end. I expect a bad beat after bad beat here and there and have unplayable hands all tourney long. its never ending for me though.

yes my experience has been way different. I can’t help but be gun shy when stuff happens like this all the time. it is rare when it doesn’t happen.

Pay attention to both the hand and what’s said in the chat. Before that he was going all in and hitting every draw too. Fishy fishy. Weird how that never works for me.

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I think we see the same things, just with a different perspective. I run good, I run bad, I run inbetween. Right now I’m on an epic bad run - nothing seems to work and I - like you - get gun shy.

However, I know if I stick it out it will change just as it always has.

And truth be told, I’m usually more proud of my play when I’m running bad. Hell, it’s easy when yuo are running good - but when you are running bad - real bad, as I am now - and still manage to find yourself finishing in the money at a nine seat tourney? Priceless.

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There was 25k in the pot and he had to call your 18k raise. He had a commanding chip lead and probably 2 live cards, and might have just wanted the tourney to end, so took a chance.

If you didn’t have a pocket pair, he was something like a 2-3 underdog and was getting close to the right price to call. late stage tournaments are like that sometimes.

Yeah, that was the perfect runout for him, it happens.

All I saw in the chat was that he said “sorry if I hit.” That doesn’t sound like he knew he would though.

So why do you think the site hates you and loves him? I mean, that’s what you’re saying isn’t it?

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