Live tournament players are losing poker players outside of the super high rollers with $100K plus buy ins. No one wins money playing live tournaments unless you get extremely lucky and ship the main, maybe you won’t lose your $8M back over your life time.
WOAH! Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this statement. Tournament poker is mostly over after one street. I mean yeah ICM is a consideration but mostly it just determines whether or not you’re folding. Playing 20-50 bb poker is nowhere near as complex as playing 250-1000 bb’s deep in a ring/cash game.
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So lets break it down. 1003=300, 3003=900, 900*3=2700… So :
Even if both “stacks” tripple the “short” up, it takes 3 consecutive wins to get above the blinds… but, in the process that person not only goes all in themselves on the 1st hand, but is forced all in on the next 2 hands. The critical hand here is the 3rd one, If only 1 “stack” attacks on that 3rd hand, the worst that happens is that they dbbl up the “short” to 1800… which still cannot pay the BB, should they pass on the 4th hand.
Isn’t the correct strategy here, for the 2 “stacks” to call hand 1 & 2, then for the strongest hand to call hand 3 ??
Would I call the Jam, with 22… Well, prolly 10-20% of the time, and only with a fairly strong hand. In tournament play, there is something to be said about NOT folding a strong hand ever. Knowing the “short” is all in blind the following hand, you treat this as a HU hand. Its also a great way to take over the chiplead and by a 2:1 margain. Yes, making sure the “short” continues to be on the hotseat is advantagous, but you play a dance to make sure they DON’T get any traction to rise above the blinds. Knowing you play that dance, you also are looking for opportunities to bolster your stack, so that beginning HU play you have a stronger posistion- chipstack wise. In my opinion, its always good to kill off the “shorts” before, you start attacking each other. Its also true that I never want to finish below or allow a grey’d out Alien from cashing.
While this situation does come up in Rings, it does NOT come up as frequently.
1k/2k blinds will be ohhh, Indianapolis Speedway… In that setting, normally neither “stack” should get greedy ( Jam ), pretty much you would insta call/limp (both stacks) untill hand 3, where only 1 of the 2, will attack the “Short”. In Rings, usually someone that short, gets attacked so much they either “get back in the game” or they bust and either rebuy or they leave. No ITM, no ICM, nothing… Kill the short !!
This is a great example of something that you can see fairly well… the mindset, not the odds, is the over-riding factor on how the hand(s) gets played. In Rings, its “kill the short, kill the short, kill the short” and do it yesterday… Whereas in MTT/SnG, its “kill the short, carefully”, but as soon as possible.
Yes, a 50bb starting stack MTT is in many ways a “turbo” ( blinds dependant ), but In many ways its harder than say a 250bb starting stack “deepstack” MTT. Compare that to ALL ring tables that usually are 50-200BB buyins, the ring game becomes easier only when the stacks start out unequal… Because if everyone buys in short, its a 50bb table, or if everyone buys in the max its a 200bb table, then you can kinda compare the 50bb MTT/SnG to the 50bb Ring, and also for the 200bb variety. Not sure you can cross compare 1 of each/each ( 50bb vs 200bb, 1 of each Ring&MTT/SnG, either way).
I watched a top20 ranked player, yet again, crush MTTs while playing RPOS. That player cashed in 3 of 4 MTTs played I think, @ the 250k level buyin. Thats a 75% rate just to cash, and pretty sure that player took a 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th of the 3 they cashed in. This player is , in my opinion, the most well rounded player here @ ReplayPoker. -BlackWidow-'s play to me is seemless, consistent, and effortless. She, just like 'lilPowerGuru ( SPG ), plays TO WIN. With billions in bankroll BW doesn’t need LB bonuses. Her game seems rock solid, no matter if its elite rings or elite MTTs.
In conclusion, I prefer no-rebuy MTT/SnG because of the inherant “Risk” built into the gameplay. I prefer ( only cause I have to, with so few elite MTTs offered here ) Rings because of the possibility of increasing my Bankroll to a level that I cannot achieve thru playing MTTs as easily/quickly, actually with less risk involved. ( if done correctly , otherwise its alot riskier ). Of the two, I do prefer the no-rebuy MTTs alot more.
Sassy
Edit: 100x3=300, 300x3=900, 900x3=2700
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Heh heh… or this potentially ridiculous hand…
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Last night I played the following hand: Hand #547253613 · Replay Poker. If I had paid $10K to be in the game, I would have folded, but this is RP. After I won the hand, I was called a “bingo player”, and a certain player and I traded insults. Of course, I eventually lost (to this player), 3 8s to his FH., and he gave me a serve. My attitude is it is only a game, and not “real” poker, but I guess the purists would decry my attitude.
I agree with @saminetti that your preflop call was way too loose, even if you’re sitting on the button. That said, facing less than a 1/3 pot bet on the flop, you’re getting the right odds to chase your flush. Shame on him for betting too small on a fairly connected board, and continuing (and complaining!) when the flush draw gets there.
No arguments here that deep-stack poker is more complex than 20-50BB poker. What’s tricky about tournament poker is that a single tournament can encompass a huge variation. You might start off with 200BB and drop to sub-20BB effective stacks, or go from 9-max to heads up within a single game. In my mind, being able to navigate those rapid changes is what makes tournament poker more challenging than cash games, no matter the depth.
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No comment… 
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