Had this happen last night. Had a small Pocket Pair (5s) with several limpers and the blinds going to the flop. The flop comes 777. Checks around to me on the button so I bet to try and thin the field 2 players call. Turn another 7. Talk about being counter fitted. With a now useless 5 kicker I wasn’t investing anything more when the player in front of me put in a pot sized bet (which would have put the other player all in) We fold and he shows KJ. So at least it was the right decision but from a full boat to a 5 high in one card. Evil. (And yes I know I should have raised more on the flop but my spider senses were tingling and were correct lol)
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(1) If you extend the number of players with the buy-in amount, it’s more than the Payout amounts as shown in the last column. The Big Bang and Bring the Rain tourneys are good examples of what I was referring.
(2) They may call it a Tournament fee but to me it’s still a rake.
One can argue that the ante for each tournament hand could be considered a rake from the pot since it’s not returned to the winning player(s). It’s usually so small few would even notice.
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Since no one has responded so far to you, I’m just a guy who happens to have above average looks and usually respond from the best from my heart.
Just remember using the first line as an example, a 5% rake means the rake cap is 100 on the first 2,000 pot of chips. So, there is no rake on a pot greater than 2k in chips.
I hope this helps.
The antes are part of the pot. If you look at how many chips the winner of a tournament has at the end, it’s always the number of entrants * the starting stack (plus rebuys if those apply). Chips aren’t taken out of play.
There is no extra rake. The rake on a 4k pot is the same 100 chips as for a 2k pot. You will basically never play a 2k pot at 1/2 though, so you’re always getting raked at the maximum. At higher stakes, the effective rake is lower, because the cap will kick in quite often.
Scenario 1
fold
Scenario
all in
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I think you played the hand good, you know if someone had a 7 they most likely going to check.
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It is basically a 5% rake here and i guess less in bigger games…If you are new do not worry at all about the rake when playing, actually do not EVER worry at this site about the rake. Just have patience, read players by watching how they play and have fun…P.S. After playing many hands, you will be giving us advice on how to play, good luck.
LMAO, i love this site, i do not pay attention to rakes here or chips taken out of tournaments etc. as it is a fun free site:)…I will say AGAIN, i never played in a tournament (cash game) with a rake my friend:).
Your funny:)
Well, if the casino doesn’t charge a tournament fee and returns 100% of the buy-in in their payouts and you’re a fairly decent poker player, you should play as often as you can.
I would think the competition would be pretty good since all the decent players in the area would realize it too.
Without charging a tournament fee, I wonder how the casino pays the dealers, floor personnel and lights etc.
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You also need to consider a couple of other scenarios since you were first to act.
You were playing in a Ring game 100/200 blinds, 5% rake with 1000 rake max on a 20k pot. At the Turn, the pot was 800 chips and you still had 16,405.
(1) No one called your all-in.
Pot is 800 + 16,405 = 17,205 x 5% = 860 rake. If my math is correct (and what’s the odds that it isn’t?), You would’ve lost another 60 chips And, remember 200 of the 800 was yours.
(2) No one raises.
Pot is 800 x 5% = 40 rake which leaves 760 chopped 4 ways = 190. It would’ve cost each of you 10 chips with a Quad board.
I hope this helps.
I’m still figuring out how the rake works (most of my experience is with cash tournaments**).
I thought that the rake was only taken when a betting round had finished and there were callers?
For example, if Player A has 50 chips remaining and goes all-in, Player B has 1,200 chips and also goes all-in, causing the others to fold, he has 1,150 chips returned to him for the showdown. I didn’t think a rake was taken from those 1,150 chips?
So, in my hand being discussed, if no one called my all-in, then those chips would be returned to me, without a rake being taken from them. That’s what I’ve been assuming, but admittedly I’ve not been paying attention to the rake.
In this example, 5% of the 800 chips is just 40, so I win 760 chips.
I had an Ace, and I was taking my chances that at least one person didn’t have an Ace.
As I wasn’t thinking of the rake, I was happy to split the pot with anyone else who had an Ace.
One person folded, so his 200 chips get split the remaining 3 ways anyway.
But, since the other 2 players called, neither having an Ace, it worked out very well for me! 
** To add to the other discussion above, the prize money is always less than the total amount of buy-ins and add-ons: there is a guaranteed prize pool, so very rarely the organisers lose money, and the prize pool can increase if there are a lot of buy-ins or add-ons, but the tournament directors will always take a cut… it’s their job, and they need paying. Still, $3 buy-in with a $10 add-on with prize money of $200, $100, $50 for top 3 places is pretty good for the low-stakes poker I play.
Remember my responses are always just my opinion.
I see what you mean though but once you go all-in, what’s the pot size? Is it still 50 or is it now 1250?
I think you’re thinking of a settlement when there’s a Main Pot and there’s a Side Pot winner. Given similar info with a 5% max rake of 500 chips.
Example:
The board shows a pair or a set.
(A) goes all-in with Quads and makes the pot 9000, a 450 rake then I go all-in for another 1000 chips with two pair but then (B) goes over the top for another 1500 because he has a boat and no one else calls. The way I see the settlement is (A) wins the Main Pot for 9000 less the 450 rake. (B) wins 2000 less the 50 rake and the other 500 is returned to (B) which is the non-called raise. No additional rake because the max was reached.
But this scenario would never happen because I would never fall for this trap.
Sites can do whatever they want. There’s at least one site that charges rake on pots that end preflop (which obviously means there were no callers). That’s pretty rare though, and I can’t imagine any site would rake uncalled portions of any raise.
On Replay, I just wouldn’t worry about the rake. At low stakes, you’ll earn more in daily bonuses than you’ll pay in rake, and at higher stakes the rake is just not that bad.
On 1 / 2 tables is many times pot size > 2000. The bingos.
2000 is there many times preflop bet size.
Max buy in 400 chips there, lol.
The rake on Replay is not lost. We get free chips, free tickets, freerolls, missions, promos,… for it.
A tournament fee is NOT a rake…period…
Yes, I think that’s correct.
Good that you’d never fall for it, but it’s the situation that we’re discussing!
I’ve just played a ring game on Replay Poker and my theory was correct:
A player needs to call for a rake to be taken.
There is no rake on chips that are returned to a player when
(a) everyone else folds,
(b) the raise is higher than the highest all-in call.
So, if Player 1 bets 2,000 chips, but Player 2 has only 1,400 chips and goes all-in, then 600 chips are returned to Player 1 and the rake is then 2 x 1400 x 5% = 140 chips.
Therefore, in my example with the quads, 4 people called pre-flop. The pot was 800, with the rake being 40. So 760 chips to win.
My all-in bet would mean that if everyone else folds, I win the chips. I had already put in 200 chips, so I still get 560 extra. No extra rake, because my bet is simply returned to me.
If only 1 person folds, and the rest is split 3-way, then I win 253 chips (unless I’m closest to the dealer, then its 254), which is still a gain of 53 chips.
Going all-in, if one other person called with an Ace, creating a split pot, then, with a 1000 chip cap on the rake, yes, I would lose chips. A bet of 9600 will create the maximum rake (40 chips rake has already been taken pre-flop). The golden number in this situation is a bet of 3600. With that bet, I break even.
(800 total bet pre-flop, rake of 40. bet 3600 more, 1 caller, total bet for the turn is 7200, rake of 360. Therefore total bets from start are 8000, but my contributions are 200+3600=3800. Winnings after rake is taken is 7600, split 2-ways is 3800)
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