Because time and space are at a premium, I use a lot of abbreviations: AGR = very aggressive, FqB = Frequent Bluffer, NR = nuisance raiser, AgLO = Always goes Low, et cetera. SOB is self-explanatory. Make up your own. It’s just not practical to write a thesis as a note for every possible opponent. (Also useful is when they started at RP and how they rank compared to that length of time, but that isn’t necessarily for a note, it merely saves a click on their profile.)
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Yeah, I’ll typically make a note of some behavior I notice. Such as: frequent limpers, min betters, calling stations, people who slow play, maniac players, tight/loose/passive/aggressive, or anything else that annoys me or catches my attention. Often times, if I don’t have a note, I’ll quickly put a “.” in the notes to let me know I’ve seen this person before.
No real set way to do it as long as you make an observation and understand what you wrote later.
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I like to note players who impress me at a final table or heads up. When I make a note on the way someone plays or betting habits, I also like to note the date and game type. A bad omaha player may be new to the game and really good at hold’em. Most of my notes are vague, but sometimes I note a specific habit that will help me when I play that person again. The other day I went to enter a note that the player will tilt and go all in on the hand following a big loss, and found that I already had that in the notes 
Now if I can just remember to look at my notes more, lol.
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Is there a limp behind 2-3 limpers range? If so, what % of combos do i want to play, for a somewhat tight image? When you build such a range, do you include hands you’re gonna raise with and put them in a different color? Then it’s all about where that dividing line is?
I just like to look at their RP ranking. If in the top 200, they are more likely to fold draws on the flop when they do not have the right odds to call.
If you have the button you can limp any two cards behind two limpers, but it might be better to shove with any two cards so that they are forced to fold preflop, by representing a large pair. Better players will fold, but on RP they will probably both call with any two cards.
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there was a typo. I left out otb. I’m pretty sure i know what my range is when it folds to me otb, but sometimes, with people already limping, i want to play a hand that plays ok multiway. I think you can flop shop profitably, if you do so IP, and don’t get too silly. probably should quit being lazy, and build one.
Not true Mekon…Ranking really doesnt have anything to do with that as far as top 400,300,200,100. It depends on what stake table they are on ( the less stakes the more they will not fold flopped draws and the more likely they will try to bet you off of your same flopped draws) But yeah in general this is true the higher you go up in elite stakes but has nothing to do with top 200 or top any rank.
Most of the sources I looked at while building my range suggest raising with a narrower range when there are limpers in front. For example: instead of 87s+ when folded to in LP, you might only raise T9s+ when you have multiple limpers in front.
I admittedly limp behind too much in certain circumstances, even though I know I shouldn’t. However, when I do that, it’s on the margins of my range with decent position… allowing me to just dump the hand for 1BB if the flop doesn’t go my way. I feel like I get priced in too much with all the rampant limp bingo, and I’d rather play and work on my post-flop game than sit out yet another hand.
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agreed. It’s adjusting your game to ‘free’ poker. I try to tighten up my SB range, but i keep seeing 10:1 pot odds, because of people limping. Hard not to play a mediocre hand that’s got a couple of ways to improve.
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thanks to all who reply. I read em all. tks @Fozman for the link.
I know the experienced folks here have seen it all. Seen a lot in the 11 months I’ve been here. However, I’m still a rookie, and still seeing hands I think are certified ridiculous.
I literally laughed out loud when this hand happened
I’m gonna try to use this thread for serious questions about poker in general, and not posting a lot of hands, but you gotta see the funny in hands like this.
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You’re otb and the table folds to you.
Dayman showed me a common range for that scenario, once. It weighed heavily toward raising with a very wide range of hands. Can I assume the same range applies when the final table is down to 4, or 3? (tournament) Other charts I’ve seen don’t support any action except raise or fold, when first to bet. Is this another thing i should bring to final 3, or hu?
Is the button so important with 4 or less seats that it should almost never be folded?
Yes.
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I’ll echo @MekonKing, with the caveat that you should be more selective when the blinds have been defending themselves by 3-betting. Even so, 3-handed, I’ll probably still open about 60% of my hands on the button preflop, looking to call most reasonable 3-bets and use my positional advantage postflop to over-recognize my equity.
If my opens are often getting flatted or folded, then I might ramp up my hand selection to 90%, folding only weak, disconnected, offsuit hands.
I do not have a flat range on the button 3- or 4-handed.
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For the last 2 or 3 days, I’ve been using the advice, Mekon and you are giving me. It has been successful in the sense of getting my 1st:2nd ratio back to where it should be, about 4:1. Now, I’m waiting to see how it plays out when opponents realize the size of my range, otb, and react accordingly.
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While I’m here, there is a question I asked in the new tables thread. I only got one response, which was “No, but i’d like to show hands i fold.”
I don’t have a lot of confidence that any of my suggestions will be incorporated into the new tables, so I’d like to ask again, as a poll, if the moderators will permit.
If there were an option to grey out your folded hands, would you use it?
So, I fold T2. How does it help me to see the folded hand produce trip T, or 2s over Ts? It’s not like i"m suddenly gonna start opening T2, from now on. If anything, it distracts from my studying the board. TBH, most hands i fold, without it sitting there, I couldn’t tell you what it was, 20 seconds later.
Hmmm… about a 3 in 1000 chance.
For six players, there are 2,145,313,934,413,650 ways of dealing six players two-card hands.
N=6 Players
No Pair : 1,492,278,187,226,112 ( 69.5599 %; 69.5067 %; 1.000766)
One Pair: 557,175,599,735,040 ( 25.9718 %; 26.0650 %; 0.996423)
Two Pair: 87,971,700,939,408 ( 4.1006 %; 4.0727 %; 1.006872)
Three Pair: 7,512,990,046,848 ( 0.3502 %; 0.3394 %; 1.031871)
Four Pair: 365,736,653,568 ( 0.0170 %; 0.0159 %; 1.071618)
Five Pair: 9,613,334,016 ( 0.00045 %; 0.00040 %; 1.126693)
Six Pair: 106,478,658 ( 0.0000050%; 0.0000041%; 1.198023)
POLL RESULTS:
1 in favor
1 opposed
Either I’m the world’s worst pollster, or folks are so tired with my continuous battle with high school grammer that they don’t bother to look anymore.
Or…I’m the only one that is bugged by staring at what could have been. Maybe I should start opening T2, after all.
So, since I’m the only one, I’ve been thinking of ways I could fix the problem for myself. Tape leaves residue on the screen until there’s none left on the tape, and it doesn’t work anymore. There’s nothing to stick one of those magnetic refrigerator strips to, not to mention the havoc it would unleash on the electronics. Much too lazy to hold my hand up there. Any ideas?.
Oh, the snapshot above. That’s the shameless self-aggrandizing part.
what are the odds for flopping a flush, with 2 of the same suit in the hole?
cardchat says 1%. According to pokerlistings, it’s 1 in 119 attempts. I flopped (and posted) 3 in as many days. It’s happened twice since then, although one hand got folded preflop. either I’m really beating the odds, or playing a lot of poker.
Another hand i posted was having to chop my pocket kings when the board flopped a wheel. Not long after, i saw the board flop a royal flush. no kings, this time, tho. Didn’t find any odds on that, but, for draw poker, the odds of being dealt the hand, with no draw, is 1 in 649,740 . then there are the odds Fozman listed above. those are some pretty big numbers.
I just played the strangest game. It was one of those games where i really hold true to staying within my range, but folding J4o turns into quad jacks, and seemingly, every other conceivable disconnected/unsuited hand turns into a winner. You fold your small pair to a raise, on the turn, and hit your set on the river.
However, I hold true, folding the trash, playing very few hands, but winning them. Finally, the 20 min late entry is over, and I’m in the center of the pack, within range of the money. Still, the folded hands keep coming, and i give in.
The first was A3o, OOP, which goes nowhere. The second was T7o, OOP, which flops me top pair, and turns me the trip Tens. Woohoo. I bet 1/2 pot, and end up shoving into AT. game over.
At least it wasn’t another string of hands i get sometime, in which i get premium hands, one after another, which must be raised. Then, nothing connects to the flop. ever.